Above inflation pay rises for teachers and NHS staff?

Iam64
Do the areas you mention now have Family Hubs which are also well used?

Thanks Mollygo. The good family centres I knew all offered the services you list. The best also had a duty worker from the drug/alcohol team, the children and families team. They were all well used by members of their community. Hard to reach families included

I am64
Two of those I knew well were closed because of underuse then opened as a ‘family hubs’ and are still going strong, joined by other new family hubs set ups in the area.
I’ve added some info.
Support is available for all stages of family life, from pregnancy through to 19 years old or 25 for those with special educational needs and disabilities (SEND).

Families can access a wide range of services at Family Hubs, such as:

midwife and health visitor appointments
groups for expectant mums and dads
counselling for families
baby feeding advice
SEND support groups and advice

One I knew well was closed then the building used for work with young offenders. It shouldn’t be early years or adolescents should be both
And the research on early years interventions like SureStart is convincing - it works / less teenage pregnancy, drug use etc in adolescents who benefitted from surestart early years

The country’s debt is about £1.7 trillion I just read. Who’s paying for pay rises? My granddaughter?

I also heard a programme on the radio about Weimar Germany and hyper inflation when the country went bankrupt.

Thanks for that info Ian64. It’s good to know parents in which areas of Lancashire desperately needed that sort of help.
They should have kept them open and just closed those that weren’t well used.

Labour started surestart. Cameron started closures, justifying it by claiming families like his used SureStart which didn’t reach families who needed it.
He’d obviously never seen the need in Accrington, bury, Blackburn, Rochdale, Bolton or Oldham where I can confirm they were desperately needed and well used

We have seen what has happened to children as a result of covid, when they did not receive education of a normal standard and were left in sole control of their parents.
A significant drop in standards of speech and language, behaviour, attitude and work ethic, plus decline in diet and health..
Children spend far more time with parents than with schools.
One who got on with a wrong crowd, his life is chaotic, prison, plus other things, how is that the parents fault?

Because the parents did nothing to prevent it.

It is not always the parents fault Urms A family I am very close too had 7 children, adults now, 6 all working, one who got on with a wrong crowd, his life is chaotic, prison, plus other things, how is that the parents fault? The others are all OK.
People are too quick to blame the parents.

*Urmstongran
I'm with you. For a long time my been that since the age of being regarded a child has increased eg 17 year old still a child for legal purposes then its the parents too who should be made to answer and given penalties for any indiscretions carried out be their "children". Perhaps tgey woukd be more interested then to know where kids are and what they are up to.

Joseann

The 5.5% pay rise for teachers is probably long overdue. I am in favour.

From a selfish point of view, however, I think this will cause an added problem for independent schools, who will now have that to contend with that on top of the VAT on education. Historically the pay rises awarded to teachers at private schools were just above those in state schools. This new leap will cost heavily for them to match it.

Teachers on higher grades are already finding it difficult to get new jobs, obviously hard-pressed school budgets mean that they prefer to recruit teachers who are earning less. This has led to qualified teachers who have to change jobs (due to moving home or whatever) being unable to get teaching jobs and ending up working as Teaching Assistants. Then schools get them to manage classes during teacher absences whilst paying them a TA salary.
It would make more sense to increase school budgets and let the schools promote the best teachers and then pay them more.

Fantastic! the last gov't ran down all our public services to force us to go private and its totally backfired on them.

I wonder where the money to pay the public sector will come from. Something should be taken into account during negotiations is the public sector pensions - amounts that the private sector can only dream of. Currently the public sector pensions run into billions. How can we sustain this?

I'm v much in favour of the teachers pay rise as DD is a teacher and works so many hours.
But will it be fully funded as atm DDs school can't afford TAs to help with slow learners or children with additional needs and the Head has to help out quite frequently during violent outbursts.

That’s scary mlynne239. So DH’s pension was reduced by Gordon Brown and now there’s a threat to teacher’s pensions.

Labours pay rise for teachers has a glitch- to cancel the teachers pension in return. Because the TP is paid on a Ponzi system ie thise paying into the scheme are funding those pensions of the teachers who have retired, means there will be no funding for the teachers pensions of those who are now retired. So where will that come from?

Good idea, the previous idea of trickle down economics was pretty stupid as rich people don't spend all their cash they save it. Putting it in the pockets of people who need it and will spend it seems a much more sensible way of getting the economy to grow.

Social workers need pay rises too! My daughter is being offered a retention sum to stay in post for 2 years ! It will be taxed! But she is tempted as it will pay for a much needed holiday!
She has no chance of promotion and non pay rise on the horizon either !
I agree with teachers and NHS staff pay increases ! Only way to maintain staff will stay

Kim19

I hope the pay rise goes ahead.

I do as well.

MaizieD
Before the election she spoke about the investment promised by investors. This will surely come through the house building programme.
I think she’s keeping her powder dry because she doesn’t want to frighten the horses.
I still have faith.

petra

It’s not rocket science, is it 🤷‍♀️ give working folk more money and they spend it = the butterfly affect.
That’s why the city likes Rachel Reeves.

It's a bit of 'not rocket science' that Reeves doesn't admit to knowing, though, with all this ridiculous 'can't afford it' nonsense and her straitjacketing 'fiscal rules'.

This isn't just my opinion. William Keegan in the Observer yesterday points out that Andy Haldane, former BoE chief economist, said of her 'fiscal rules "By constraining investment and stunting growth these are self defeating". Keegan clearly agrees with him 😆

I think the woman is bonkers, or lying to us...

Most parents do,(train children) but an increasing number don't, because 'the school, nursery will sort it out.'
Watching some mothers collecting their small children and walking home, transfixed by their mobiles.
What is it they are watching?
How do I manage to get through a whole day without looking at my mobile once?

It’s not rocket science, is it 🤷‍♀️ give working folk more money and they spend it = the butterfly affect.
That’s why the city likes Rachel Reeves.

Harris27

I hope labour helps the early years sector as well. I have 18 months to go and would love to see better working conditions and a pay increase. I work in the private sector nursery and it’s been terrible since returning after covid. My little darlings left on Friday the last covid babies good luck to the reception teachers some children left still not fully toilet trained some struggled to put coats on and some have real speech problems. Not our fault we did our best. Sorry for the rant.

Not toilet trained, poor speech, don't parents speak to their children, teach them how to put coats on, train them to use toilets, I don't understand why it's your job,. I really despair of some parenting nowadays.
Pay should be commensurate with qualifications surely.

I hope the pay rise goes ahead.