KAMALA HARRIS

NotSpaghetti

Of course Norah, ironically, Gore should have won - as he won Florida. He probably shouldn't have conceded so gracefully!

I'm not the best at expressing articulately.

Of course Gore won, but he was raised to be a gentleman, so gentleman he was - and America got a daft warmonger.

Indigo - I agree with you. There seems to have been a shift in views here as well. Boris Johnson still admired by many - despite his lies, laziness and more lies

When I think back to the self-righteous outrage felt by so many Americans over President Nixon and Watergate, I find the attitudes of some of the present day American people difficult to understand.

What has changed the American psyche? Trump has outdone Nixon for wrong doing many times over. He has shown himself to be a liar, a fantasist and a criminal, yet, still a great number of Americans still love and respect him.

Add to this the fact that Trump is now 78 and becoming increasingly muddle headed and his apparent popularity is even more difficult to understand.

Of course Norah, ironically, Gore should have won - as he won Florida. He probably shouldn't have conceded so gracefully!

Bea65

Fleurpepper

nanna8

Personally, and I stress personally, I wouldn’t go back there just now until it is sorted out. As no doubt it eventually will be one way or another.

I have advised one of my students who wanted to go and study in the USA this autumn (fall!) NOT to go. I fear that if Kamaly wins, there will be riots and worse- led by Trump and his supporters- bordering on civil war.

IMO if students want to study in the US they should be given the opportunity….stop panicking people…

I agree totally Bea65
It will be more important than ever for decent citizens to stand up for democracy, to be seen openly standing up to bullies and to show by their example that corruption will never prevail.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,”
And this includes avoiding confrontation if necessary

David49

Dont worry, after last time if Trump looses the police and National Guard will be on full alert for trouble

I'd think the police will be prepared, However Trump is not prepared to accept defeat the gentlemanly way Gore did in 2000.

The Hariis team have engaged 100s of "the best" Lawers all over the country to fight the inevitable election denial that Trump is seen to be planning by telling people not to accept the results.

His supporters have already been testing out the various ways (state by state) to change laws and to not agree/confirm the results. They have been doing this in less high profile elections around the country.
The Harris lawers have been getting to grips with these methods and have been defeating them one by one - so I'm hoping that by November all possible "reasons" will have been tested and failed.

Personally I can't bear Trump - but if he genuinely wins through fair means that's one thing - and I think that people would accept it. It is the lies and cheating that will push people to anger. So, by being ready for his tricks this time I think it will be hard to challenge - and cries of an unfair election should be prevented.

Keeping fingers crossed.

Dont worry, after last time if Trump looses the police and National Guard will be on full alert for trouble

Fleurpepper

nanna8

Personally, and I stress personally, I wouldn’t go back there just now until it is sorted out. As no doubt it eventually will be one way or another.

I have advised one of my students who wanted to go and study in the USA this autumn (fall!) NOT to go. I fear that if Kamaly wins, there will be riots and worse- led by Trump and his supporters- bordering on civil war.

IMO if students want to study in the US they should be given the opportunity….stop panicking people…

I read in The Times that Harris’s rhetoric on immigration is pure Starmer.

“^Harris is undeniably speaking the same language as Starmer. Just as he did, she is at least talking as if she is willing to confront a perennial weakness for American progressives — migration — from a position of strength^

I hope she is far more progressive and honest about the evidenced and undeniable benefits of immigration.

So far, Starmer has made no attempts to change the narrative around immigration, bar a mostly unnoticed tweak to the language used to describe asylum seekers who arrive without visas, whom the Home Office now call irregular, rather than illegal, migrants.

It’s one of my bigger disappointments with the current government.

I agree with every word of this article by Nesrine Malik

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/19/riots-keir-starmer-racist-anti-immigration-narratives-truth?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Descent!!

issues!

The Democratic Convention starts today

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80ey324neeo

on who is speaking and indues likely to come up

I did notice the “fight for our freedoms” speech I hope they don’t take that as literally as the Trumps supporters did.

I read in The Times that Harris’s rhetoric on immigration is pure Starmer.

“Harris is undeniably speaking the same language as Starmer. Just as he did, she is at least talking as if she is willing to confront a perennial weakness for American progressives — migration — from a position of strength.

Harris, like Starmer, was a state prosecutor. Frank Sharry, her migration adviser, was moonlighting for Labour ahead of the election, as another of DC’s parish noticeboards, Politico, noted last week.“

Norah

Based on other threads 😂 😂 I'm wondering when Kamala's trouser suits will be compared and contrasted to Hillary's trouser suits? I recall Hillary's trouser suits were viewed quite poorly, as unattractive and matronly.

😮 oh please no.

One decent into the gutter is quite enough.

Based on other threads 😂 😂 I'm wondering when Kamala's trouser suits will be compared and contrasted to Hillary's trouser suits? I recall Hillary's trouser suits were viewed quite poorly, as unattractive and matronly.

NYT quote; Mr. Walz wasn’t the head coach at Mankato West High School when the school defied all odds to win a state championship in 1999 — that was Rick Sutton, who did the work of negotiating the different constituencies and leading the team. He was the one who gave quotes to The Star Tribune after the win. But Mr. Walz was by many accounts a passionate and compassionate assistant coach. “We knew all the coaches had confidence in us and our abilities, but Coach Walz was like the one where you knew it, you felt it,” one of his players said recently.

Those qualities can be useful in the locker room but in terms of politics, I’m more impressed by Mr. Walz’s résumé as a member of the Army National Guard for 24 years; as a public school teacher for two decades; as a member of the House of Representatives from Minnesota for 12 years; and as the governor of Minnesota, where his down-home and authentic style has connected him to the Midwest.

If Mr. Walz wants to channel Coach Taylor under the glow of the Friday night lights, I say go for it. Coach Taylor’s most cited line in the television show occurred in a fictional speech in a fictional locker room in front of actors playing fictional roles when he said, “Clear eyes, full hearts, can’t lose.”

That’s interesting Norah. When I was last in America we went to an American football game in Chicago, and I remember thinking how very differently the crowd behaviour was to the UK - cheerleaders, and somebody on a podium during the game leading the crowd response - it seemed alien to me, but the crowd absolutely loved it. I can see tapping into that would be powerful.

Reading this today. Many Americans love their sports.

Waltz was a coach of school sports. Apparently Harris-Walz are able to bring a football energy to their rallies. Walz appealing to the "Friday Night Lights" crowd appears to rattle the opposition.

How I managed to forget the Paris Agreement I dont know!

Yes, both Trump and Vance deny that man-made climate change is upon us.

NATO and Paris Agreement would impact us, I'd think.

It will impact the world a great deal - Ukraine, Israel, NATO, are the obvious ones. I think a Starmer/Harris situation would be benign for us.

It's for Americans to choose but their choice will impact on the rest of the world. Personally, I hope Harris and Walz succeed but it may be a close run thing.

If you don’t mind some swearing (and one annoying product placement), Randy Rainbow sums up the last few weeks and the choice facing Americans:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Eo45EIZPCI