KAMALA HARRIS

What a moving pic.

Yes. Wyllow I thought so.

I didn’t say that. I just think that doubts were definitely raised and this time around people (voters) need full reassurance to pre-empt division.

“Some 35% of Americans—including 68% of Republicans—believe the Big Lie, pushed relentlessly by former President Donald Trump and amplified by conservative media, that the 2020 presidential election was stolen. They think that Trump was the true victor and that he should still be in the White House today.”

Source: The Atlantic.

This ‘perception’ means many voters will be wary. That’s why transparency is important.

I agree Wyllow & NotSpaghetti

Apparently, then, it’s Trump supporters who think the system is broken, and, honestly, I am dead happy if they don’t vote as a result.

It is only because they are being constantly fed lies, and then appear to take it in without due critical thought.

But as I read recently.

It is all about feelings/emotion and nothing to do with facts/critical thought.

When people rely on their emotions without critical thought they are wide open to manipulation.

Frankly that way lies madness and 1984.

Apparently the fundraiser organisation "Blue Future" has had the phone ringing off the hook with people wanting to volunteer. Young people are energised by KH. I also think that the Democrats' stand on abortion and womens' freedom of choice will help their campaign.

It's starting to look good for the Democrats.

You are right that things need to be transparent Urmstongran - but the whole system IS transparent as far as I can see.

You can't persuade people to think rationally if they are members of a cult, unfortunately.

AGAA4

Trump wants to take the USA back to segregation and no rights for women. He believes in white supremacy.
I have to hope that women will not vote for him. So many years of women fighting for their rights could be obliterated by Trump as Potus.

There seem to be plenty of women at his rallies. And women don’t always vote for women. There’s a long way to go, yet.

Harris is a certainty for the Democrat nomination and I hope she beats the Felon by a landslide in the interests of the whole world.

NotSpaghetti

You are right that things need to be transparent Urmstongran - but the whole system IS transparent as far as I can see.

You can't persuade people to think rationally if they are members of a cult, unfortunately.

I'm always minded at this point to recall the public on record phone calls Trump made to Raffensperger, who was actually a republican and in charge of the vote results

“According to the publicly released recording of the call and reports made by multiple news agencies, Trump attempted to pressure Raffensperger into reinvestigating the election results, despite being repeatedly told that there was no electoral error.

Trump's repeated efforts to convince Raffensperger to find some basis to overturn the election results were perceived as pleading and threatening.

At one point on the call, Trump told Raffensperger, "What I want to do is this. I just want to find, uh, 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state

During the call, Trump falsely suggested that Raffensperger could have committed a criminal offense by refusing to overturn the state's election results

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Raffensperger_phone_call

There's also this article which goes into every possible deal fact checking detailed accusations of fraud (warning, very long, but gives the gist).

www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/fact-check-trumps-georgia-call-raffensperger?ref=jom.media

I am inclined to feel sympathy for the thousands of ordinary US citizens who turn out to count the votes and make every effort to do so with honesty and commitment and yet get implicated in accusations.

(Add - am referring to the Georgia count at the election)

I certainly do.

And Trump can't stand Harris because she's a woman who works and has her own brain!

I'm not a big fan of hers but I hope she becomes first female President and her hubby becomes First Gentleman as a 2-finger sign to Trump! And we know what ''Trump'' means here in England, and he certainly is one!

They do believe that Trump is the victim and it has been a witch hunt against him, if you tell a lie often enough they will believe you.

Exactly the same with Johnson, many still think he was the victim too.

Very thought provoking pic [NotSpaghetti]

Darn it .. used wrong brackets 🤣

glad i don't live in the usa, what a divided place, after all the progress, the trump are dragging them back into the wild west.

David49

They do believe that Trump is the victim and it has been a witch hunt against him, if you tell a lie often enough they will believe you.

Exactly the same with Johnson, many still think he was the victim too.

Maybe that's the key? The victim mentality possibly.

I do think Trump has a sort of messiah complex, and people want to be led to promised land, and its led to a huge well SM funded industry to keep things that way:

It seems to me it has features of a cult not a political campaign where one might say,
"Well I agree with this or that policy but OTOH I disagree with that, but on balance will vote for him" It demands obedience and involves shunning - a very powerful weapon - to those who disagree.

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Urmstongran

Well, whatever the pros and cons of the candidates, I hope they keep a tight control of the voting machines and the postal ballot, this time.

Not only must the election be fair, it must be seen to be fair. Whatever one's views of the 2020 election, it will not be good if there are hundreds more affidavits attesting to voting irregularities in November.

It sure needs to be seen to be fair as there could be unrest like last time if not.
It seems to be a very complicated affair, not as straightforward as UK voting.

Memo to other posters, if another poster has different views to you about a politician then maybe accept it and don’t make fake sympathy comments asking ‘hope you are alright?’ I really hate that, I mean it’s so patronising.

My daughter lives in Texas and is concerned she has done nothing to control the number of illegals crossing from Mexico

The voting process was exactly as transparent as it had always been.

It was never questioned until Trump lost.

Frankly he is a pain in the ass.

I assume that all those Americans who were horrified by the no-abortion policy pushed through in many states will be only to glad to vote for a woman president, who might just happen to believe that women have the right to determine what happens to their bodies and who hope that a Democratic female president might just see things their way.

I wish Kamala Harris all the best - she certainly will have a nasty fight on her hands as she ticks all the boxes for Trump's prejudices.

A: she is a woman, and Trump has only contempt for women
B: she is hardly WASP (white Anglo-Saxon Protestant

He will doubtless have some very nasty, not to say obscene comments to make about the woman.

I trust she will manage to ignore them, as she probably will, as no woman gets to where she is in politics, especially not in the USA which is hardly Women's Lib Paradise without having learned to fight and fight hard.