Transwomen take all three medals in 'women's' cycling championship.

What are the rules?

The International Olympic Committee, which oversees the Games, does not have specific rules or regulations and instead includes 10 guiding principles. The governing body also states that “each international federation is responsible for setting eligibility rules for its sport, including the eligibility criteria that determine qualification for the Olympic Games”.

The guidelines require transgender women to have transitioned before the age of 12 to be eligible for the women’s category, to prevent any potential biological advantage from male puberty.

Laurel Hubbard competed in the Tokyo Olympics, becoming the first openly transgender athlete to do so, and finished last in her competition group. She is not competing in Paris.

Nikki Hiltz is transgender and non-binary and uses the pronouns “they/them”, but has always competed in the female category, and will be representing USA at the upcoming Olympics. They set a US trials record in the 1500m to earn a place on the Olympic squad.

Quinn, a Canadian non-binary footballer, has also been chosen to represent their nation at the Olympic Games. The midfielder, who plays for Toronto, has always competed in female categories.

Hergie Bacyadan, a boxer from the Philippines, competed in the women’s 75kg category in Paris while identifying as a trans man. Born a biological female, he was allowed to compete because he had not undergone hormone replacement treatement.

Which transgender athletes are not allowed to compete in Paris?

American BMX rider Chelsea Wolfe had been hoping to compete in Paris before the UCI, cycling’s governing body, changed its regulations and put an end to her hopes. She had qualified for Tokyo 2020 as an alternate.

Halba Diouf’s dream was also ended by World Athletics’ new regulations, effectively barring the Senegalese-born French sprinter from competing in Paris.

Swimmer Lia Thomas became the first transgender athlete to win a US college title in 2022, but lost a legal case against World Aquatics for her right to compete. The American remains barred from competing in the female category.

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Mt61

Woman are just being erased- why bother watching, we know the end result

Yes, this is what feminists have been saying for years now. Wiped out of the language, of competitions of all kinds, and denied privacy, dignity and safety, so that a supposedly tiny minority of 'the most vulnerable' can get their wishes met.

Being flippant (or I might weep) let’s see how they’d cope with the 100m sprint to get the washing in when it starts to rain, the 50m hurdles over the toys -especially Lego- in the living room, the ironing marathon, the 1000m supermarket sprint before the parking gives out, and the putting your own washing (especially socks) in the laundry basket.
That’d sort ‘em.

Woman are just being erased- why bother watching, we know the end result

Aveline

The whole 2024 Olympic games is irrevocably tainted by this scandal of allowing biological men to enter women's sports.

It was intended to be remembered in a positive way for being “green” and inclusive, but from the farce of much of the opening ceremony onwards it has been sadly memorable for all the wrong reasons. .
The only consolation, for me, has been the outstanding performance of our athletes and their enthusiastic singing of God Save The King from the medals podium.

And this labour government will not do anything to support women. They are all on the same side as the Trans community. When the PM thinks a woman can have a penis and he cannot give the definition of what is a woman things can only get worse. He has his harem but no willingness to support real women.

The whole 2024 Olympic games is irrevocably tainted by this scandal of allowing biological men to enter women's sports.

That, and the money. It's anything but sportsmanlike though.

denbylover

How the trans women can accept first prize astounds me. They have to know they have a significant advantage. Bring back a level playing field!

They’re males of the worst kind. That’s how.

There is no proof that it is a male, nor any proof that it wasn’t.
The matter has been called into question on previous occasions but any findings are under a veil of secrecy, which just makes people ask why the truth of those investigations cannot be revealed.

Incidentally, once a GRC allows anyone to falsify their birth certificate, there will be no proof except swab tests (acceptable) or physical examination (unacceptable).
However, refusing either would automatically seem to verify suspicions.

Yoginimeisje

Now the boxing, did you see that poor women boxer, fighting a male that has decided to compete in the female boxing, of course he will win everything.

www.thesun.co.uk/sport/29633487/imane-khelif-olympics-boxing-piers-morgan/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_medium=web_push_

It was sickening, horrible and shocking. I despair.

Now the boxing, did you see that poor women boxer, fighting a male that has decided to compete in the female boxing, of course he will win everything.

www.thesun.co.uk/sport/29633487/imane-khelif-olympics-boxing-piers-morgan/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_medium=web_push_

I am just waiting to see transwomen in Rhythmic Gymnastics. While there's an off chance that a trans gymnast might be competitive in Women's Artistic Gymnastics I can't see any one who has been through male puberty having the necessary flexibility and slimness. If it could be done there would already be a men's competition.

Rosie51

That's a solution many of us have proposed for some while Mollygo, it makes absolute sense. I'm assuming that transmen will only be allowed to enter the female category if they are not supplementing with testosterone as that's a banned drug for anybody else.

That would in theory raise another difficulty, but as you say, it’s a banned drug.

That was me Molly, not reading your post correctly . What you've said makes perfect sense.

That's a solution many of us have proposed for some while Mollygo, it makes absolute sense. I'm assuming that transmen will only be allowed to enter the female category if they are not supplementing with testosterone as that's a banned drug for anybody else.

That would be the best possible solution.

That makes sense to me, Molly. Basically, males in one group, females in another, so no males competing against females but a female can compete against males if they wish?

Not sure I understand Smileless2012, unless I put it badly.

Transmen can compete in the female category, because they are female.
So it would be their choice to compete against males by entering the open competition.
Otherwise they’re competing against females.

Transwomen are not female, so can only compete in the open competition.
They cannot compete in the female competitions.

so we shouldn't allow unfair competition between trans men and trans women but it's OK for unfair competition between biological women and trans women.

Just been speaking to the coach where my DGD swims, who tells me that their competitions now have two categories, female and open.
Only natal females, including transmen and female bi, can swim in the female competitions.
Anyone, male, female, TW, TM or bi of either sex can swim in open category races.
This perhaps needs to be the way forward.

Rosie51

No apology necessary Dickens.

I think it was in Germany a swimming competition had a category for trans athletes to compete in, they received not a single entry.

Yes it was www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/03/swimming-world-cup-category-for-transgender-athletes-cancelled-after-no-entries-received#:~

Was that the lack of validation or that the competition might have been more equal?

Thanks for that link.

I can see the problem though. It was an 'open' category for transgender athletes. Not a specific gender-identity. Therefore a transman competing against a transwoman could end up being disadvantaged in exactly the same way and for the same reasons we are discussing.

It might work as a "friendly" competition with the competitors in it just for the fun of it where it doesn't really matter who wins, but not at professional levels. Like must compete with like.

It’s time to label them male and female sports.
We can even have male and female and women’s sports.
Entry to the female sport would require a cheek swab to validate your entry.
Entry to women’s sports would not.

No apology necessary Dickens.

I think it was in Germany a swimming competition had a category for trans athletes to compete in, they received not a single entry.

Yes it was www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/03/swimming-world-cup-category-for-transgender-athletes-cancelled-after-no-entries-received#:~

Was that the lack of validation or that the competition might have been more equal?

Rosie51

Dickens

I've just had a thought. If it's accepted that TW who've been through male puberty can compete with women - then logic demands that all biological males should also be allowed to compete with them.

The only difference between a male who's been through male puberty and who subsequently identifies as a woman, and one who doesn't, is just that - inner identity... and what relevance logically does that have when you're partaking in physical sport?

I agree. It was what I was trying to say earlier.

If some 'special' males can compete in the female category isn't it discrimination against all the other males to exclude them?

I apologise Rosie51 for not reading before posting. I usually look at all the posts but just dived in this time and was admittedly being a bit of a clever-dick.

I think what I was trying to highlight is the illogicality of allowing biological males into a sport to compete against biological women - such sport that relies on physical strength - based purely on the basis that they feel like women.

I'm not disparaging identity - whatever that identity is. We all have it, we all have that distinctiveness that governs how we relate to society, and it is important that we accept people for who they are based on how they 'see' themselves, or feel about themselves in relation to the rest of the world.

But biology matters and in some instances it matters more than one's feeling of selfhood or individuality.

There is no logical reason why TW cannot compete among themselves. assuming there are sufficient numbers in any given sport. But creating that category would fly in the face of the TWAW dogma, so one will not be created, and TW with the distinct advantage of having gone through male puberty will continue to compete against biological women, with the inevitable results.

If some 'special' males can compete in the female category isn't it discrimination against all the other males to exclude them?

Logically, yes! But inclusivity means different things to different people.