Transwomen take all three medals in 'women's' cycling championship.

I think you’re right Doodledog. There could be legislation that would make it obligatory for any institution (cafe, restaurant, shops, theatres, swimming pools etc) to provide single sex, safe spaces for women and girls. If they wanted to go on to provide a unisex space (which many do already because they provide a disability/baby change facility) then that would be their decision. I also think that it should be mandatory to provide single sex wards in hospitals. Trans women could have a single room. Too many women have been raped in hospitals by intact trans women. One woman is too many in my opinion. Imagine the horror of finding an intact male raping you in hospital. Government of any colour could have and should legislate for this.

nanna8

It’s ridiculous. Oppression of women and it is just meekly accepted. Why don’t they have special trans events, that would be fair?

because it is deliberate imo

Smileless2012

They may be powerless Doodledog but the government should speak out against it.

Exactly Smileless2012
If no one speaks out about it then nothing will change.
*If you don’t condemn wrongdoing, you condone it and evidently Nandy, who Starmer chose to represent his government view, does that.
She, on his behalf, chose to say something about it but chose not to say that males taking female awards is wrong.

They may be powerless Doodledog but the government should speak out against it.

Mollygo

I didn’t know the first part of this till today.
It’s not my quote, but it’s a good one.

^A woman who thinks trans-identified sex offenders should be in ‘the prison of their choosing’ was hardly going to balk at males in women’s sport, was she? @lisanandy told us loudly and proudly who she was pre-election. She’s one of the main reasons I couldn’t vote Labour^

I don't think that governments have jurisdiction over international sporting authorities.

If the FA, or the Athletics Association (or whatever) don't have rules banning males from female sport, I don't think that a government can over-rule them. I may be wrong, but I think they make their own rules, so even if the UK government could ban British athletes from cheating in this way, the international bodies would just carry on without us. When SA athletes were banned from representing their country during Apartheid, the games still went ahead. They would go ahead without UK athletes if our government somehow barred them from going - what else do you think Lisa Nandy should do?

It would take more than one government to take action for an impact to be made, and it's definitely not a party political issue. The Tories could do nothing, and the government can't do anything either.

What the government can (and IMO should) do is legislate to ensure that women have single sex spaces, that public bodies differentiate according to sex, that there is no obligation on employees (or anyone else) to compulsorily validate trans ideology by declaring pronouns and so on. They have already banned the use of puberty blockers - give them time. We've had 14 years of inaction during which all of this has built up, and it can't be overturned overnight.

My blood just boils over when I come across anything to do with Lia Thomas yet again winning another swimming contest, competing against 15 year old girls. He/she/it is over 6 foot with shoulders as wide as a farm gate, for goodness sake!
When he/she/it competed solely in the male categories he/she/it ranked way, way down on the ultra-mediocre scale. Then, he/she/it just decided "hey - I'm really a woman!" and barged into the female categories. Whaddyaknow? He/she/it suddenly started winning everything.
Disgusting and disgraceful.

What a crazy world we live in now. Absolutely ridiculous!!!!

I didn’t know the first part of this till today.
It’s not my quote, but it’s a good one.

A woman who thinks trans-identified sex offenders should be in ‘the prison of their choosing’ was hardly going to balk at males in women’s sport, was she? @lisanandy told us loudly and proudly who she was pre-election. She’s one of the main reasons I couldn’t vote Labour

Perhaps it has already been said that this competition has teams of two. Only one in each medal winning team is said to be a trans woman so I am assuming that the other team member is happy to go along with this because it gives her an unfair advantage. However, she may well find herself not being picked for the next race if two trans women want to team up.

"What about trans men?" Ẃell ! we barely hear anything from them do we? the odd whisper as opposed to the overwhelming noisy demands from the trans women sorority fraternity, why is that I wonder? Why don't trans men appear not to have any interest in partaking in male sporting events, could it possibly be that they know how futile that would be

We women must stop hoarding our privileges says David Lammy, whatever they are Those that do are like dinosaurs allegedly! I suppose he means the Cisasauras, a weaker species, who in trying to assert themselves, got trampled underfoot by the dominant and much larger Entitledadon renowned for it's beefy body and overly muscly hind quarters, which it used to great effect when it kicked the feebler Cisasauras out of its way and trampled it under foot.

It is lack of ethics at best and corruption at worst.

AGAA4

It is really gaining money under false pretences. They competed in a sport for women and they are not women.
I can't see how this dishonesty is acceptable to anybody.

It’s acceptable to those TW who do it
and to the sporting authorities who condone it
and to the government of any country who say it’s not their problem, and pass the buck, making no effort to stop it.
Why are governments afraid to stand up and say no to this cheating?
Do they not care so long as their country wins the medals?

It is really gaining money under false pretences. They competed in a sport for women and they are not women.
I can't see how this dishonesty is acceptable to anybody.

I think it's acceptable to the 'winners' because prizes have got so big.

It's probably easier to live with knowing you got your title unfairly when your bank balance is buzzing.

I don't know how the situation is acceptable to members of the public, the sports authorities or GN posters though.

I find it totally bizarre. Can you imagine this happening in our parents' time. How have we come to this? How on earth is this acceptable to some people.

Absolutely diabolical. What will happen now is that born and bred women will stop taking part in sports when transgender people are involved. How can this be allowed.

I want to weep at this appalling news. Where/when will it end ? If this was a sci-fi or dystopian film I would laugh at how ludicrous the storyline is, sadly it is now reality.

The singing and dancing, leave me unmoved. The lying and cheating and taking what isn’t rightfully yours is totally unacceptable.
Some TW keep telling me that trans women are the same as women. It’s a lie.
Water that comes out of the tap is great for drinking but it’s not the same as water in the toilet unless you’re in the habit of drinking that.

Mollygo

Daddima
As long as they’re not affecting anybody else, I really don’t care.
Neither do I, but does your definition of
not affecting anybody include males competing in female sports, especially when they’re doing it because they failed against their biological competitors?

Absolutely not, Mollygo, that’s definitely affecting other people! I’m sure there are quite a few people who do dress as the opposite sex without making a song and dance about it, or demanding that we use the correct pronouns.
It’s the song and dancers who are causing all the trouble!

This is not a right/left issue, as I repeatedly said when we had a Tory government and was accused of being right wing for being feminist. I didn’t engage with that then, and am not getting dragged into if from the other ‘side’ either.

Daddima
As long as they’re not affecting anybody else, I really don’t care.
Neither do I, but does your definition of
not affecting anybody include males competing in female sports, especially when they’re doing it because they failed against their biological competitors?

TerriBull

I agree with Bluebell, 3 defined biological people, should equate to 3 categories. Otherwise it all comes across as cynical knowing ploys to erase women out, they, the trans know they can trounce women every time. What's the point therefore of devoting hours of time and effort into a pursuit they, the actual women don't have a hope in hell of competing in, in any meaningful way against male bodied people. It's rubbish! Anyone with a sense of fairness knows it's cynical manipulation and so unfair.

3 categories? But what about ‘trans’ men? Would they want to compete against ‘trans’ women? Then we’ve got four categories.

To me they are not ‘trans’ anything. They are men/women who want to dress and act ( as much as they can within the rules of sport etc) like the opposite sex, and why not? As long as they’re not affecting anybody else, I really don’t care.

Many Conservatives made themselves clear about how they views some of the actions of their party.
Sorry, I don’t remember Labour acknowledging that.

It’s the Labour minister in charge of culture that represents Labour’s stance.

That is a refusal to say that males should not compete in female events and a passing the buck to others to avoid having to say it.
I was really hoping for something better when Labour got in.

Many Labour women have made themselves clear as regards sports in the UK, "demonstrated Labour’s attitude to females."

labourwomensdeclaration.org.uk/mp-briefing-protecting-female-sports/

Wyllow3
Passing the buck and making excuses wasn’t acceptable for Conservatives to do. It isn’t acceptable for Labour to do either.
Making it worse by condoning the actions of the international sporting bodies as Nandy has done, demonstrated Labour’s attitude to females.