Transwomen take all three medals in 'women's' cycling championship.

I wonder if the US (or any other country for that matter) overlook the arguments above and are purely interested in winning medals, by any means.

Yoginimeisje

So wrong! I tried to upload the photo from the Mail, with the trans winners on the podium, towering over the only women!

And with his male body clearly visible - muscles and more

Doodledog raises the progress women have made in equality. Most men are as pleased as we are about that but, the small noisy trans activists seem as angry with women as Andrew Tate and his followers. I’ve mentioned before the threats to three of my friends thst they’d be ‘raped to death with my lady penis’. The offence they’d caused was to join a discussion at a feminist conference where the issue of adolescent boys sharing dorms with the girls on guide camps. The Guiding movement had decided there was no need for the fact that Billie isn’t a girl but a boy who wants to be a girl.
There is sonething truly awful going on.

I know you are rightfully angry Mollygo and as a L Party member as you know have made my views just above quite clear, they are widely shared except by a minority:

but it is simply a fact that International sports bodies are the ones to make the decisions - just as, for example, the WI do, not politicians from a single country. This is why governments have not intervened for years although have intervened as in the Cass report and so on.

It's the Sports Organisations have to be held to account and persuaded to adopt what all agree here is right policy, ie biological sex determines the physical characteristics of participants abilities and level playing field excludes transwomen.

DH says it’s because Starmer is more afraid of TW (males) and TRA than he is of females.
He could well be right.

Supporting cheats?
Refusing to support females against cheats? Is that New Labour? What an achievement in the first 100 days!

Tennis will be next. This really does need to be seriously addressed before it gets to the point where women will simply not bother to be competitive. Biological men, whatever they choose to call themselves, are always going to be physically stronger than biological women. It's just a fact which cannot be altered and makes for unfair competition, simple as that! As has been suggested, by all means have three categories, no one would have an issue with that, but men competing in women's sport is definitely not on.

What Nandy implies is that Labour support male rights over female rights and will pass the buck to avoid having to do anything about it.

I'm completely against transpeople competing in biological sex categories in sports.

It has been in the hands of Sports Organisations for years, but still a long way to go to reach the point of across the board bans.

What Lisa Nandy said was to affirm it was up to individual sports to decide whether to let biological males compete against women in their respective fields.

It would be new ground for governments to intervene in Sports Bodies decisions: at top level international ones..

It makes me angry that this is allowed. Things have gone too far now. Pointless for women to compete if men are able to take part in women's sports.
It feels as though women are being phased out.

So wrong! I tried to upload the photo from the Mail, with the trans winners on the podium, towering over the only women!

I know. Its very hard and even more unfair fancythat.
Personally, I'm boycotting the Olympics. No point in watching sport that has been so badly distorted.

fancythat

Rekarie

Smileless2012

It's outrageous. If all women athletes refused to compete with trans women it wont be long before the organisers and those in authority are forced to bring this to an end.

That's exactly what needs to happen.

I have questioned for years why they do not.

There has to be a reason.

Because they will, as things stand at the moment, be sanctioned by the sporting authorities. In the USA sporting scholarships are a way for some students to get a college education. If they refuse to compete they wreck their chance of a scholarship. Many already lose scholarships to trans identified males as it is.
At the Olympics can you really ask women who have trained for years to sacrifice their chance because a male is lining up with them?

Aveline

Is this the first topic that all Grans agree on? That says something. Politicians and 'celebs' take note. They're the ones who are out of step with public feeling.

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Doodledog How long before a team of failed male footballers starts to play against the Lionesses?

To beat the Lionesses they likely wouldn't even need adult men. The USA women's team who were World Cup and Olympic gold medal holders were beaten in a friendly match by FC Dallas U-15 boys academy team and lost the match 5-2.

Is this the first topic that all Grans agree on? That says something. Politicians and 'celebs' take note. They're the ones who are out of step with public feeling.

It's hard to understand, fancythat. They are convincing themselves somehow that it's ok. But we know it's not.

How can those competitors feel any pride in their win? They must know it's cheating.

I used to wonder that.

My personal opinion is that their perception of some things must have become very skewed.
So they can justify it to themselves in some way.

It's the latest way of cheating because you can't win otherwise. You wonder where their self-respect – if they ever had any – has gone.

How can those competitors feel any pride in their win? They must know it's cheating.
I'm amazed that they are allowed to compete in women's events. It should be stopped immediately.

LauraNorderr

The lunatics are running the asylum.

They are.

Sadly and unfortunately.

Rekarie

Smileless2012

It's outrageous. If all women athletes refused to compete with trans women it wont be long before the organisers and those in authority are forced to bring this to an end.

That's exactly what needs to happen.

I have questioned for years why they do not.

There has to be a reason.

I agree with all these comments.. the world has become ridiculously and stupidly woke

Rekarie

Smileless2012

It's outrageous. If all women athletes refused to compete with trans women it wont be long before the organisers and those in authority are forced to bring this to an end.

That's exactly what needs to happen.

The world has gone mad, and this is just one indication of it. Absolutely disgraceful that Lisa Nandy has been appointed to this position.

Sago

It’s disgraceful, the winner clearly wanted to hang on to all his male genitalia.
I don’t think growing your hair long and changing your name constitutes being a woman.
This is about domination.

It is, and always has been, IMO. The number of people with gender dysphoria is estimated to be tiny, yet within a few years the number of males claiming to 'feel' that they are female has risen exponentially. Can anyone explain that, other than to acknowledge that there is a lot more to this than 'feelings'?

Until recently (in civilisation terms) the world was run around men. There were few Ladies loos, women weren't allowed in many pubs, they could be intimately searched when arrested (supposedly on suspicion of being a prostitute with an STI, but actually to keep us indoors at night), male and female wages were different, rape in marriage was legal, women needed guarantors to borrow money etc etc. there was definitely a 'place' for us to stay in.

Now that has changed, the patriarchy doesn't like it, and there are those who see women as having 'gone too far' in our claims for equality. They can't reverse the legislation without showing their hand, and doing so would be opposed by women and (I assume) most men. So instead they muscle in on things that women have achieved, and claim to be doing so in the name of 'trans equality', shutting down opposition because 'they are oppressed'.

How long before a team of failed male footballers starts to play against the Lionesses?

Aveline

Most men disagree with transwomen in sport business. It's reassuring to hear so many of them are with us. Of course they're not typically prominent 'celebs' just decent honest men. We mustn't forget them.

Absolutely Aveline, I've yet to encounter a man who thinks a male bodied people should enter women sports or personal spaces, I thank God the men in my life, husband and sons are strongly opposed, one son has spoken to me about the insanity of a male bodied person being involved in women's contact sports in particular.

Sharron Davies is a champion she like all the other women who are fighting the good fight for women and girls are forever on the receiving end of vile threats and aggression not only a personal level but to family members. Do those who defend trans women in their perceived right to trounce ordinary women ever criticise the aggressive trans women lobby who threaten those who oppose their stance?

Aveline

Sharron Davis the swimmer is leading a huge opposition to this nonsense.

Indeed she is, and has been doing so for some time. Daley Thompson is one of the rare male athletes who publicly supports her in this. Of course she knows first hand what it is like to be cheated out of your rightful medal, not by a man who 'identifies' as a woman, but by someone's enhanced performance due to drug use.