Riots in Southport

pascal30

Sussex police have made it public that rioters will regret their actions if they come tomorrow to Brighton.. so we'll see...

Apart from anything else, this will have a devastating effect on businesses - especially the smaller ones.

Since some of the protestors seem bent on looting and arson attacks, how many small shops, stalls, cafes, etc will want to remain open?

There are also a number of B&Bs in Brighton, presumably some housing asylum seekers, a percentage of which I believe are under 18.

It doesn't bode well. And I feel sorry for the locals.

Dickens

Callistemon213

What would happen if someone - either a protestor / rioter ..... were seriously injured by having the full force directed on them?
Oh dear, doesn't bear thinking about. How very worrying.

How do the police cope in other countries?

How do the police cope in other countries?

With difficulty, like us.

Some European countries still use water cannons = Belgium and The Netherlands according to Google.

Of course, in some countries, they just shoot them. With the inevitable results.

I don't think it's easy for the police to decide on a proportional response, because they are rather damned if they do and damned if they don't. And I imagine that goes for most other civilised countries also.

I believe the idea is containment - perhaps easier prior to the advent of social media and the easy mobilisation of potential demonstrators / rioters. Not to mention the inflammatory posts and comments.

Yes I think that governments have a lot to catch up on re- social media, and I bet we see cooperation over getting control over what this is clearly - an existential issue.

Callistemon213

^What would happen if someone - either a protestor / rioter ..... were seriously injured by having the full force directed on them?^
Oh dear, doesn't bear thinking about. How very worrying.

How do the police cope in other countries?

How do the police cope in other countries?

With difficulty, like us.

Some European countries still use water cannons = Belgium and The Netherlands according to Google.

Of course, in some countries, they just shoot them. With the inevitable results.

I don't think it's easy for the police to decide on a proportional response, because they are rather damned if they do and damned if they don't. And I imagine that goes for most other civilised countries also.

I believe the idea is containment - perhaps easier prior to the advent of social media and the easy mobilisation of potential demonstrators / rioters. Not to mention the inflammatory posts and comments.

Sussex police have made it public that rioters will regret their actions if they come tomorrow to Brighton.. so we'll see...

I don't think Rwanda (or any other country) would want them.

They are burning down businesses, picking on individuals in the street burning mosques, offices and centres.

For the life of me I can’t tell the difference between what is happening and what happened in Germany.

Cossy

pascal30

So we've just had a warning that there is a planned riot in central Brighton tomorrow.. they apparently want to torch the immigration centre.. so news on Nextdoor is that loads of people are going to try to stop them.. heaven help us if it becomes a battle..

That is truly awful and very frightening indeed.

Yes my hairdresser told me this morning.

If only the police could kettle the rioters or stop them at the border or station. If they have the man power it wouldn’t be difficult.

Oh, I totally agree with you! I'd be very happy to see the trouble makers deported as well!

It is a horrible situation and I'm sorry if my comments offended anyone. I'm in shock like many of us are. I don't really have answers.

OnwardandUpward

How did the warning come? It's up to the police to act , or the army if necessary. Members of the public are not trained for this and don't have items of protective clothing like the police and forces do. Worrying times.

Surely it's the governments responsibiity to move the immigrants to a place of safety? I wasn't pro Rwanda, but Rwanda might be better than this danger?

In this climate are there any places of safety? These right wing thugs (sorry if that offends anyone!) will target ANY Muslim, not just those in immigration centres.

It’s a horrible situation and frankly I’d bring the army and round up ALL the troublemakers and ship them off to Rwanda!

pascal30

So we've just had a warning that there is a planned riot in central Brighton tomorrow.. they apparently want to torch the immigration centre.. so news on Nextdoor is that loads of people are going to try to stop them.. heaven help us if it becomes a battle..

That is truly awful and very frightening indeed.

How did the warning come? It's up to the police to act , or the army if necessary. Members of the public are not trained for this and don't have items of protective clothing like the police and forces do. Worrying times.

Surely it's the governments responsibiity to move the immigrants to a place of safety? I wasn't pro Rwanda, but Rwanda might be better than this danger?

So we've just had a warning that there is a planned riot in central Brighton tomorrow.. they apparently want to torch the immigration centre.. so news on Nextdoor is that loads of people are going to try to stop them.. heaven help us if it becomes a battle..

If he didn't want to be recognised, he wasn't proud of what he was doing, which means he knew he shouldn't be doing it.

If someone believes in what they are doing and are proud to stand for it, they will be more likely to show their face unless they are cowardly.

The claim that the man on the bike and the two others were Muslims has prompted discussion about male violence and religion (as intended probably).

From the evidence of the video itself and the accompanying commentary, there is no claim that these men were Muslim. The reporter was talking to community elder and talking about Muslims protecting their mosque, but there was no suggestion about who the three men were. The one on the bike obviously didn't want to be recognised because his number plate was covered up.

Additionally, many identify with a faith when they go into hospital and when asked, they may say "Muslim" or "church of England" (or any other religion)... but if you saw their day to day life it would bear no witness to the religion they claim.

So I don't think categorising people by the faith they claim is even helpful unless you see them living it out in a real way that shows they practice what they say they believe.

I wasn't aware that a person's religion described their character or actions.

In an ideal world , everyone of every religion would adhere to the tenets of their own faith, but as we know it doesn't happen.
If it did we might live in a world of love and unity.

Rates of male crimes/violence against women by men are regrettably very high in our country as a whole. To pin it on any group is to ignore this and to ignore the suffering of women affected.

Oreo

You haven’t read the report which goes with it! You need to do that.

Yes, I have.

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Here are some stills from the video:

Its just that there have been thousands of such incidents including actual injury to or police have happened over the last week, many far more serious than this one.

But I haven't noticed a single one which reports "white christians..."white attackers" etc etc. Why not, if we are to have race-naming on crime. No wonder groups feel picked on.

Crime is crime, and racialising it only increases divisiveness.

How dare anyone suggest that all Muslims (and or people of colour) have no respect for white women! It’s simply isn’t true, why can’t some of you accept that there are some people in the world, across the world, irrespective of their colour/race/religion/nationality are bad. To simply tar an entire cohort of people is pure discrimination.

Which men Nannashirlz?

Nannashirlz

Oreo

What tickingbird is talking about is absolutely true.I went onto SkyNews app on my iPad this morning and there was a section about a female reporter talking into the camera, it was a small mobile Sky unit.They reported that Muslim men were massing near a mosque and they said that they hoped the police would protect it but if not they were ready to do that, and some carried bats and other weapons.A man on a moped and two other young Muslim men then came close up to the news unit and said things after which the older Muslim men said don’t leave it’s fine, but they felt threatened so got into their car/ van to leave.A younger man then attacked their tyres with a large knife but they were able to drive away.

I saw more than two and she looked so scared I felt sorry for her feeling so scared in our country where she should have felt safe. But these men have no respect for white woman

A generalisation.

I could argue when watching a pair of white rioters kicking a young Asian woman as she was curled up on the ground trying to protect herself proves that white men have no respect for women of colour.

But I won’t because I know how ignorant that sounds.

I have read it. Sky News does not claim that the three men on the bikes nor the man who tried to slash their vehicle's tyres was Muslim.

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