Riots in Southport

This was on Sky News not GB News

Is a masked man the same as a Muslim now

No but he was with a crowd of others and was draped in a Palestinian flag?

Stop trying to make out I’m racist. They were Asian. Part of his face was visible.

This is far too serious to be trying to score silly points.

No surprise - far right rioters turn up in our cities and we are surprised that anti racist groups now turning up too?

cut off the far right riots!

nanaK54

Awful scenes from Plymouth being shown now on Sky news.

Just watching.

Awful scenes from Plymouth being shown now on Sky news.

Aveline

Yuk sounds awful. However, people are already being badly injured in these riots. I still think a good soaking would do them all good. Doesn't have to be high velocity. Just hoses!

Isn’t actually that straightforward. First you have to find a water source and then attach a hose to it. Not the easiest of things to do in the middle of a riot.

Young people often have a quick phrase that nails it
Well dodge a case in point

Wyllow3

We are in a dreadful situation - and feelings run high - but I really agree people should check sources. when we don't, and statements are just made as fact, our discussions very soon turn into "yes he did, no he didnt" and then accusations at each other.

Please - we're better than this, it takes only a short time to check a source 🙏

I wish, Wyllow3. We’d be in our own echo chamber though, because so much of the source material used is what my son would call well dodge.

We are in a dreadful situation - and feelings run high - but I really agree people should check sources. when we don't, and statements are just made as fact, our discussions very soon turn into "yes he did, no he didnt" and then accusations at each other.

Please - we're better than this, it takes only a short time to check a source 🙏

I wish that people would check before posting inflammatory comments such as Sadiq Khan "selling the water cannon", a very easy fact to check and see that he had inherited them as an expensive white elephant courtesy of one Boris Johnson. In these volatile times, we surely all understand the impact of inaccurate and inflammatory posts

Yuk sounds awful. However, people are already being badly injured in these riots. I still think a good soaking would do them all good. Doesn't have to be high velocity. Just hoses!

No. I'd like to know how his religion was apparent in the circumstances.

Primrose53

tickingbird

I haven’t read all this thread as been too busy to catch up today but just seen a worrying video on Sky News of a female reporter having to be taken off air whilst reporting from Birmingham. She was being threatened and intimidated by Muslim thugs wearing masks. One made a gun motion, another rode up on a bike wearing a mask shouting something about Palestine or Gaza and making certain gestures. Very scary indeed as what I’m concerned about looks as if it’s starting - one community of thugs against another. It’s the innocents getting caught up in it. The police wouldn’t be able to stop it. It’s truly terrifying.

My son told me about that. i didn’t see it myself. Sounds dreadful.

Masked man or Muslim? We still don't seem to have established the truth here.

Primrose53

Aveline

Seriously, what is wrong with water cannons? Surely a good soaking would calm everyone down without hurting them. Am I missing something?

sadiq Khan sold the water cannons thatBoris commissioned.

sadiq Khan sold the water cannons thatBoris commissioned.

Just to complete the picture - Johnson bought them before their use had been licensed here in the UK - they've only ever been used in Northern Ireland.

And, in 2015, Theresa May banned their use.

Khan sold them to save maintenance costs for their remaining life span.

I don't think they were sold on a whim.

Surely a good soaking would calm everyone down without hurting them. Am I missing something?

Possibly. Though injuries are rare - this was not the case for one man in Germany who'd been protesting the expansion of the main Stuttgart railway who was hit by one of the jets.

Dietrich Wagner - a 69-year-old retired engineer - was hit in the face at a protest in Stuttgart four years ago. His eyelids were torn and some of the bones around his eyes fractured, causing his eyeballs to fall out of their sockets.

Has has only 8% vision in one eye. As he was carried away he realised he couldn't see - he didn't realise that his eyeballs were hanging out of their sockets.

Dear Whitewavemark2, you have written more than once recently that the “intelligent” (sic) services say that the worst threat of terrorism in the UK comes from the extreme right. Today’s MI5 website (Mi5.gov.uk) states that “Islamist terrorism is the most significant terrorist threat to the UK by volume”. Would you care to comment?

Flippin' eck.

I would have repainted them for half of that.

What a waste of public money.

Doodledog

Difficult when people are so ready to believe things without questioning.

But, Starmer has dealt with terrorists before, and all political allegiance aside, I think he is the man for this job.

Oops. that was to WWM

Difficult when people are so ready to believe things without questioning.

But, Starmer has dealt with terrorists before, and all political allegiance aside, I think he is the man for this job.

This is what Johnson’s water cannons cost
What the vehicles cost between April 2014 and April 2016, according to City Hall:

Purchase of vehicles and initial fit-out

Cost of vehicles – £85,022.01
Transport to UK – £20,223
Transport within UK – £3,800.01
Supply and fit of warning equipment – £8,584.50
Supply and fit of 999 sirens – £3,109.20
Supply and fit of CCTV systems – £19,376.70
Supply and fit of external/internal intercom system – £4284.30
Supply and fit of PA system – £4288.80
Repainting – £19,035
Supply and fit "Battenberg" police vehicle markings – £4,538.70
Supply and fit Motorola MTM800 radios – £2,708.10
Signage – £3,511.50
Body work repairs due to corrosion – £4,911.15
Mass storage devices – £434.10
Tachograph inspections – £194.10
Radio/CD players – £970.50
Water jet camera housings – £4095.60
Front camera brackets – £2059.20
Tool kits – £986.40
Conversion to UK specification and service parts – £30,625.96
MOT tests – £1,688.04
UK registration – £499.98
Sub-total – £224,946.85

Additional modifications carried out following Home Office requirements and recommendations
Internal camera system – £2,477.40
Modification of water jet brackets – £1,909.20

Maintenance, service, and inspection
Low Emission Zone compliance – £32,004
Assistance with trials – £12,578
2014/15 – £20,880
2015/16 – £21,866.04
Wear and tear – £6,173.22

Total – £322,834.71

I think they eventually got £11,000 each for them as scrap.

Tommy Robinson and cohorts are stirring on SM.

This has to stop.

Primrose53

tickingbird

I haven’t read all this thread as been too busy to catch up today but just seen a worrying video on Sky News of a female reporter having to be taken off air whilst reporting from Birmingham. She was being threatened and intimidated by Muslim thugs wearing masks. One made a gun motion, another rode up on a bike wearing a mask shouting something about Palestine or Gaza and making certain gestures. Very scary indeed as what I’m concerned about looks as if it’s starting - one community of thugs against another. It’s the innocents getting caught up in it. The police wouldn’t be able to stop it. It’s truly terrifying.

My son told me about that. i didn’t see it myself. Sounds dreadful.

It does. And it certainly sounds as though the perpetrator was a thug. But how is someone's religion detectable when he is on a bike and wearing a mask?

Primrose53

Aveline

Seriously, what is wrong with water cannons? Surely a good soaking would calm everyone down without hurting them. Am I missing something?

sadiq Khan sold the water cannons thatBoris commissioned.

Theresa May, white British, christian tory Home Secretary refused to allow the use of water cannon in England and Wales. Her statement can be found in line by anyone who can be bothered to look.

The water cannon that Johnson had bought (without finding out if they were permissible or not) were, I understand, sold at a loss, possibly for scrap.

I'd be surprised if our current Home Secretary would be interested in using them.

Aveline

Seriously, what is wrong with water cannons? Surely a good soaking would calm everyone down without hurting them. Am I missing something?

sadiq Khan sold the water cannons thatBoris commissioned.

tickingbird

I haven’t read all this thread as been too busy to catch up today but just seen a worrying video on Sky News of a female reporter having to be taken off air whilst reporting from Birmingham. She was being threatened and intimidated by Muslim thugs wearing masks. One made a gun motion, another rode up on a bike wearing a mask shouting something about Palestine or Gaza and making certain gestures. Very scary indeed as what I’m concerned about looks as if it’s starting - one community of thugs against another. It’s the innocents getting caught up in it. The police wouldn’t be able to stop it. It’s truly terrifying.

My son told me about that. i didn’t see it myself. Sounds dreadful.

Seriously, what is wrong with water cannons? Surely a good soaking would calm everyone down without hurting them. Am I missing something?