Riots in Southport

Mt61

I voted reform but no way on this earth would I support trouble makers like this, they want locking up.. I would say most people who lean towards the right are more fed up with all this illegal migration & worry for their own children/ grandchildren future- but they would not dream of attacking the police or anyone else

So what exactly is your Reform MP doing to diffuse this situation?

Thank you Mt61 - the voice of reason .

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Well, Joseann I expect that these dancers, and others, will be on their way to my small seaside town next week for our annual festival.
Our area has high levels of deprivation, a significant immigrant population and has a good view of Calais on a clear day. Asylum seekers are housed here.
With a few exceptions, this community manages to work and play together harmoniously and is welcoming to thousands of visitors throughout the year.
And no we are not in any Disney films ( although our seafront does appear in advisements occasionally).

I voted reform but no way on this earth would I support trouble makers like this, they want locking up.. I would say most people who lean towards the right are more fed up with all this illegal migration & worry for their own children/ grandchildren future- but they would not dream of attacking the police or anyone else

Let’s cut to the chase. These riots are not over some high ideals. The likes of Fürage (Tommy Robinson in a suit) are pulling the strings, sending these mindless idiots in to do their dirty work and sitting back rubbing their hands in glee.
Reform isn’t a political party it’s a Public Limited Company owned by Farage- check it out on the government web site. They are highly organised and putting out stuff on social media that is pure propaganda. Using images of a lion draped in a Union Jack when in fact a nest of vipers would be more appropriate,
Children died. Tragically and needlessly. They have used this to stir up hatred against Muslims when there is no proof that the boy-killer was even of that faith. We didn’t see this reaction when little children and their teachers were massacred by Thomas Hamilton in Dunblane.
So simply - this is orchestrated violence whipped up by the far-right whatever name you care to call them. Whatever you political leanings, however you feel about welcoming asylum seekers or repulsing them, these riots are a disgrace. They have no place in a civilised society and here is the message from us

#notinthenameofsouthport

Apart from the full weight of the law, I hope the firemen turn their full hoses on them to cool them down, before they are taken away in handcuffs.

AGAA4

It's gone too far. Trying to burn people is horrifying.

Indefensible

Its worth probably reading that bit of the speech in context

*Because in the aftermath of this attack

The community of Southport had to suffer twice.

A gang of thugs, got on trains and busses…

Went to a community that is not their own…

A community grieving the most horrific tragedy…

And then proceeded to throw bricks at police officers.

Police officers who just 24 hours earlier…

Had been having to deal with an attack on children in their community.

Their community*

the full speech is on this thread

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1339013-Starmer-s-Speech-01-08-24?msgid=30725363#30725363

It's gone too far. Trying to burn people is horrifying.

I've just read The Prime Minuster's speech on a different thread.
A gang of thugs, got on trains and buses …
Went to a community that is not their own..

Whitewavemark2

So now they are setting fire to the hotel which is housing untold numbers of men, women and children.

Attempted murder in my book.

It is. I could weep. What have we become.

So now they are setting fire to the hotel which is housing untold numbers of men, women and children.

Attempted murder in my book.

nanna8

To label every single one of those people as thugs is just plain ignorant. Many are ,as I have said a couple of times now, but others have GENUINE feelings of fear and resentment because they are disadvantaged and can’t see a way out of their situation. This black and white view and calling people Nazis is appalling and needs calling out. People are not rioting because they are happy.

Catch up with what is happening in Rotherham - still think they are not thugs?

Meanwhile, glad to copy and paste good news!

"Southport is 'pulling together', says reverend
published at 10:56
10:56
Reverend Marie-Anne Kent, of St Philip and St Paul with Wesley Church in Southport, says churches across the area will be open as a safe space for people.

She tells the BBC Breakfast programme "there's a lot of mixed emotions around - the anxiety the fear, the numbness the grief, everyone is welcome we need to be together at a time like this."

Kent adds that the focus should be on the "families and young people who have been traumatised by the events of Monday, and yet we've been overtaken by the violence".

She says "so many acts of kindness" have taken place in the community, with people bringing cakes and toast down to officers.

"Southport has really pulled together, and every act of kindness is saying we are against this hate, these acts of violence", Kent adds.

BBC I player has a live feed ongoing with several topics covered:

The director of Tell Mama, a group which monitors anti-Muslim incidents across the UK, says there has been an increase in reports from British Muslims expressing concerns for their safety.
Iman Atta tells BBC Radio 4's Sunday programme that people "are scared to go to their mosques" and she has received "many" reports of Muslim women being targeted in the wake of the unrest across the country.

“What we're seeing on our streets need to stop,” Atta says, adding “we need to call it out as it is".

She calls for social media companies to be held "accountable" and says so far, there have been a "few" MPs who have called out the racism in their constituencies.
“The message that comes from political leaders is key," Atta says.
Earlier this morning the policing minister, Dame Diana Johnson, said that "people particularly are frightened because of the colour of their skin, and that cannot be right and that is something this government will take every action to deal with".

My point here is that the organisers of the events on social Media are setting up the narratives for the riots by conflating concerns about immigrants with Islamaphobia.

I think it will be mainly cities ( hopefully) tho there may be a few towns as well.

*as possible

The riots are becoming more widespread and if they start spilling over into more suburban or rural areas it will make policing them a nightmare.
It seems the plan is to cause as much disruption bad possible.

Urmstongran

The Far Right?
In Liverpool? The most Far Left district in England?
The media and Starmer are fooling no-one.

Whatever media you get your nonsense from is certainly fooling you.

Liverpool is as likely to have as many apolitical racist thugs as any other large centre of population. And lads up for a spot of looting and destruction...

I can appreciate you are following up on comments made Galaxy and regret any prompts leading to it. But the rioting as you say for you too is a concern. and how we police in this country

I agree with the recall of parliament too, btw. I think this has become a really charged series of issues that ned to be addressed not just left to fester.

Kandinsky

*Yes of course there are many homeless just as there are in other towns but as you walk past and pop a coin or two into their hand and wish them good day, they are always cheerful, grateful and polite*

Are you living in the Mary Poppins film?

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There are many reasons for the riots, getting back to the main subject.
Those genuinely bothered by the high immigration levels, especially the small boat illegal migrants who are mainly economic migrants anyway.
Those who find the prospect of a riot exciting.
Those who are glad to have the excuse to break into shops and set things on fire.
Those who are really far right and out to cause trouble for their cause.
Hot weather always brings out the worst, we need some heavy rain.

Galaxy

I did try.
But I am not going to let ideas go unchallenged that I dont agree with, otherwise it becomes completely one sided and quite oppressive.

This

Galaxy

Yes the threats the violence all a bit esoteric.
And those silly lesbians if only they would be more inclusive of men.

🤔 I’m not a Lesbian but am with them on not ‘celebrating’ anything to do with Pride.I simply don’t get what they have to be proud about, we don’t have hetero pride marches😁
In any case the Pride things have become carnivals of fetish wearers and trans activists and bearded ladies.😬