Riots in Southport

Galaxy

I know many many lesbians who dont feel welcome at pride, sorry but people are using 'communities of which they know nothing about to make political points.

There were thousands of lesbians yesterday, all dressed up singing and dancing.

Very welcome indeed.

You really are better not to claim what people do or do not know - you haven’t the first clue about lives on GN

Peace and harmony - the way to go.

The police in Brighton also have to contend with drunkeness and violence.. often from visitors.. This w/e is a time for everyone to embrace them with friendship.. they have a thankless task at the best of times..

and I agree Kandinsky, we have a real problem with homelessness here, exacerbated of course by the fact that Brighton is a friendly, welcoming, inclusive but expensive seaside town which of course brings many visitors who simply can't afford to live here.. There are many homelessness charities here but obviously not enough affordable housing..

I know many many lesbians who dont feel welcome at pride, sorry but people are using 'communities of which they know nothing about to make political points.

Yes of course there are many homeless just as there are in other towns but as you walk past and pop a coin or two into their hand and wish them good day, they are always cheerful, grateful and polite

Are you living in the Mary Poppins film?

The two-tier policing is a lie being put about by Farage and Tice.

Say it often enough and it gets believed.

Kandinsky

It’s Brighton Pride weekend so of course there’s lots of singing & dancing.
But they’ll be dancing past the 100’s of rough sleepers, most of them slumped on the pavement out of their minds on drugs.

People living in communities that have not rioted or more to the point had rioters inflicted upon them, have exactly the same fears snd worries as every other community in the country.

There are pockets of deprivation and destitution here just the same as other areas.

But the difference is that outsiders are made welcome, that people here don’t allow lies about their lives describe their activities. Yes of course there are many homeless just as there are in other towns but as you walk past and pop a coin or two into their hand and wish them good day, they are always cheerful, grateful and polite, so whether they are on drugs or not they are much nicer than the rioters seem to be, and goodness knows if someone had reason to riot it is them.

This weekend is a joyous celebration of life- long May it last.

It is a wonderful counterbalance of love to all the hate we are witnessing.

Growstuff
‘In any case, I don't see the logic of inciting even more violence against the police, even if two tier policing could be proved. Did they think they'd be let off because "it's not fair". That's the kind of thing toddlers might say.’

I agree with you, my comment wasn’t very clear.i was busy packing and should have focused more!

It’s Brighton Pride weekend so of course there’s lots of singing & dancing.
But they’ll be dancing past the 100’s of rough sleepers, most of them slumped on the pavement out of their minds on drugs.

Perhaps in those towns where there is singing and dancing they don't have the concern and problems others do. Anyone tearing down walls and frightening residents should be made to clear up and pay for the damage, they are mindless and if i was an employer would sack them. However don't dismiss the concerns and fear these communities have which just ignored by those untouched by their problems because everyone has a breaking point where their families and
their see their lives being eroded.

My favourite sign, personally witnessed, was

NANAS AGAINST NAZIS

I’m thinking mid having a T-shirt made with those words.

nanna8

Assuming they are 100% thugs doesn’t help. I am certain not all of them would be and there needs to be some sort of dialogue with them. Obviously not going to happen anytime soon so the riots will likely continue. Things are not always black and white.

Rioters, tearing down people’s garden walls for bricks to throw at police, setting fire to police cars, terrifying those inside a mosque NOT THUGS?

Whitewavemark2

300000 people on the streets in Brighton yesterday dancing and singing all day. Not a thug to be seen anywhere. The police have a doddle of a time taking selfies and grinning at the fun.

The party continues all weekend.

It is like a country of two halves.

We said exactly the same yesterday.
50,000 visitors crammed into our tiny seaside town. Dancing, singing, smiling, all ages. Nothing destroyed, no fighting, no aggression.

The party continues all week.

You're right. It's a world apart from what is happening in the other half ot the country.

300000 people on the streets in Brighton yesterday dancing and singing all day. Not a thug to be seen anywhere. The police have a doddle of a time taking selfies and grinning at the fun.

The party continues all weekend.

It is like a country of two halves.

nanna8

Assuming they are 100% thugs doesn’t help. I am certain not all of them would be and there needs to be some sort of dialogue with them. Obviously not going to happen anytime soon so the riots will likely continue. Things are not always black and white.

People have been having "dialogues" for years! Politicians shouldn't be giving way to people who injure people destroy the infrastructure of the society they are allegedly defending. The truth is that most of them are racists. They're even represented in Parliament - they can speak up for them.

Not easy to have a dialogue with someone that’s throwing bricks at you. They now have representation in parliament with their beloved Reform party. They could air their grievances through them.

Assuming they are 100% thugs doesn’t help. I am certain not all of them would be and there needs to be some sort of dialogue with them. Obviously not going to happen anytime soon so the riots will likely continue. Things are not always black and white.

J52

Meant to say comments like these. However, just my opinion.

Was the policing in Leeds really "two-tier"? It's obvious the police were unprepared for the violence, so backed off for their own safety. My understanding is that at least four people have been arrested, including the one who set a bus on fire. That case involves child protection issues, which is possibly why the public hasn't heard much more. It's not in the public interest to know more.

The same in Manchester - the ones who attacked the police (who are Muslims) have been charged. I think most of us have seen the video of the police office stamping on the man's head and kicking him. I wouldn't say that's "two tier" policing.

In any case, I don't see the logic of inciting even more violence against the police, even if two tier policing could be proved. Did they think they'd be let off because "it's not fair". That's the kind of thing toddlers might say.

Yes, the way people stood together was truly heartening.

It was really heartening to see that Quokka and to know that the majority of people (the "ordinary" people these rioters claim to stand up for) came together for their community and didn't forget the girls who were murdered.

I lived in Southport for many years, then we moved to Banks. I’m saddened that local people joined these rioters, but happy that others cleaned up the rubble and wreckage, replaced the glass in the mosque windows and stood for a group photo, muslins and other men, together.
Floral tributes all over the town at many sites. People bringing buckets to keep the flowers alive. Police filling the buckets with water. Teddies rescued and taken inside overnight to save them getting rained upon and rearranged outside next day. The town lit up in pink.
All the above to honour the memories of the lost girls AND to stick two fingers up at the thugs. There are good people out there.

The rioters are overwhelmingly male (violence being their default way of life) and I therefore suggest that chemical castration would concentrate their minds and efforts elsewhere.

I'm glad to see that James Cleverly has condemned the riots. See on X

"We cannot let rioting thugs and extremists win.

Their violence and attacks on the police can never be justified.

The Government must back our police to do what is necessary to maintain law and order and stop any further escalation.

Drawn an important and responsible "line in the sand

‘The big lie is the name of a propaganda technique, originally coined by Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf, who says “The great masses of the people… will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one,” and denotes where a known falsehood is stated and repeated and treated as if it is self-evidently true, in hopes of swaying the course of an argument in a direction that takes the big lie for granted rather than critically questioning it or ignoring it.’

The right wing media have allowed politicians such as Donald Trump and Boris Johnson to normalise lying.

Advertisers have always known the value of coining a snappy slogan and repeating it again and again.

The Trumps and Johnsons of this world have exploited that behaviour, enabling a much repeated lie to go unchallenged to the point where their followers regard it as truth that can never be challenged.

Even when presented with undeniable evidence that the statement is a lie, they have knee jerk reaction akin to putting their hands over their ears.

As someone that was brought up to not lie it’s something that I’ve never been able to comprehend

MayBee I feel the same.

I don’t understand how some people (in all walks of life) can lie so easily. Social Media presents a perfect platform for lies! It just doesn’t seem to bother some people