Riots in Southport

Ellwood, former Conservative MP and soldier knows what he's talking about. Respect. And there was respect in the HoC following the murders. Quiet respect for the dead and families.

That's how we should expect MP's to conduct themselves in the immediate hours and day following and incident like this.

Were you there tickingbird?

I dare say a few of these names were there or happy for family/friends to be there.

I think thou dost protest too much

Rondoallaturc

How sad! Another truthful post deleted despite being applauded by a number of contributors. I expect this from the BBC and the Guardian, but Gransnet? Come on! Let people express a range of views rather than joining the move toward societal manipulation. This is why more and more people are disinterested in politics and members of parliament, not to mention local councillors are put into power by fewer and fewer people whose views coincide with the new acceptable!

It’s not ‘sad’. I didn’t report the comment but it’s clear it breached guidelines if it was deleted.
No one is stifling legitimate debate. Disagreements welcome, racist, offensive, inflammatory comments not.
As MayBee reports, Tobias Ellwood rightly criticises Farage for inflammatory, ill informed comments

Rondoallaturc

How sad! Another truthful post deleted despite being applauded by a number of contributors. I expect this from the BBC and the Guardian, but Gransnet? Come on! Let people express a range of views rather than joining the move toward societal manipulation. This is why more and more people are disinterested in politics and members of parliament, not to mention local councillors are put into power by fewer and fewer people whose views coincide with the new acceptable!

So what was the truth at the Southport riots? What does it have to do with fewer people voting? It was just after a vigil for three murdered girls and attacked a mosque and the police. What did they do to deserve that?

tickingbird

growstuff
I didn't claim they weren't peaceful. My point was that there were thousands of them, which suggests your claim that the EDL is a spent force is wrong.

Were you there tickingbird?

It wasn’t an EDL march.

Must try harder gs.

I wasn't there (I don't have much in common) - it seems you know much more than I do.

‘Tobias Ellwood accuses Farage of ‘deliberately inflaming tensions’ in Southport

Former MP Tobias Ellwood has piled in on Nigel Farage, accusing him of “deliberately inflaming tensions”.

On Tuesday afternoon, before the riots began in Southport, the Reform UK leader posted a video to social media responding to the attack, questioning why the incident was not being treated as terror-related and asking whether the “truth is being withheld from us”.

He also asked whether the suspect, who is 17 and has not been identified, was being monitored by the security services. In a statement the same day, Merseyside Police had stressed the “incident is not currently being treated as terror-related”.

Responding to the MP for Clacton’s video, Mr Ellwood said: “I lost my brother to terrorism. To ramp up hatred online by claiming the Southport attack was terrorist related (culminating in riots, a mosque damaged and 27 police injured) is not just reprehensible but needs addressing. Otherwise it will happen again.

“Disgusted how a sitting MP deliberately [inflames] tensions without any justification. Farage should delete this tweet.”

But Mr Farage said “it’s perfectly reasonable to ask what is happening to law and order”.
From the Independent.

growstuff
I didn't claim they weren't peaceful. My point was that there were thousands of them, which suggests your claim that the EDL is a spent force is wrong.

Were you there tickingbird?

It wasn’t an EDL march.

Must try harder gs.

growstuff

Why do you keep trying to make excuses for them?

I’ve only just seen your disgusting comment aimed at me. I shouldn’t really respond to you as you’re really scraping the barrel now.

I know your modus operandi well.

Please show any post where I’ve made any excuse for the riots last night. You won’t because you can’t.

How sad! Another truthful post deleted despite being applauded by a number of contributors. I expect this from the BBC and the Guardian, but Gransnet? Come on! Let people express a range of views rather than joining the move toward societal manipulation. This is why more and more people are disinterested in politics and members of parliament, not to mention local councillors are put into power by fewer and fewer people whose views coincide with the new acceptable!

tickingbird

growstuff

So why were thousands of people in London on Saturday?

I believe they were peacefully marching as they had a right to do. There was nothing wrong with that march and I was heartened to hear a left wing journalist talk about this a couple of nights ago.

He attended and said it was not far right; it was ordinary people of all ages and even mentioned a Muslim couple who he walked behind. People are fed up over all sorts of issues and they are sick of not being heard.

Doubtless you don’t believe they had any right to so.

I didn't claim they weren't peaceful. My point was that there were thousands of them, which suggests your claim that the EDL is a spent force is wrong.

Were you there tickingbird?

It was organised through social networking by a particular right wing group - it was deliberate and not like a footy match, and based on social media information that had been discredited.

Going to a place where appalling murders had taken place, and attacking a mosque, is very specific.

Kandinsky

*Sorry Kadinsky I genuinely don’t understand what you mean*

Well…..when black people riot here in the UK ( & they have on many an occasion )
what do you think of them?
What names would you call them?

Just curious.

No of course ‘their’ rioting isn’t justified. That kind of thinking contributed to the riots in Southport

eazybee

I don't know who the people, men mostly, rioting in the streets were, but to me they seem exactly the same as all the 'football supporters' who enjoyed creating chaos at the time of football matches, here and abroad. Simply an excuse to fight battles, preferably against authority; the cause is irrelevant.

That’s who they are. It’s all the same and all organised

I don't know who the people, men mostly, rioting in the streets were, but to me they seem exactly the same as all the 'football supporters' who enjoyed creating chaos at the time of football matches, here and abroad. Simply an excuse to fight battles, preferably against authority; the cause is irrelevant.

growstuff

So why were thousands of people in London on Saturday?

I believe they were peacefully marching as they had a right to do. There was nothing wrong with that march and I was heartened to hear a left wing journalist talk about this a couple of nights ago.

He attended and said it was not far right; it was ordinary people of all ages and even mentioned a Muslim couple who he walked behind. People are fed up over all sorts of issues and they are sick of not being heard.

Doubtless you don’t believe they had any right to so.

Kandinsky

Or is their rioting justified?

Rioting during and immediately after a vigil which is the most awful tragedy for those families, injuring people, causing damage to properties, and taking away from the sadness of the occasion is never justified, surely?

No you apply the same morality to both. So rioting against social workers doing their job is wrong and rioting outside mosques for racist reasons is wrong.
Its not sinking to any level, it's trying to talk about this. Or you (general you) could just call people stupid and see how well that pans out.

Kandinsky

How many black people have rioted over the years if something happens they don’t like?

Many. Since when do two wrongs make a right?

Maybe you prefer to sink to the lowest level.

I should have really said who feel they are disenfranchised, rather than are. It depends on your pov
Mine is, as a white, working class younger woman on here, they certainly feel they are at a disadvantage 🤷‍♀️ (Not my own family) I suspect media, social media and austerity is also complicit in this

Or is their rioting justified?

growstuff

tickingbird

I’m not pretending the EDL aren’t far right. I said they’re in decline and have no real following.

What I am sick to the back teeth if is everyone who mentions mass immigration and concerns re lack of integration is labelled far right and it’s a slur and used to shut down discussion.

The hooligans last night aren’t open to discussion.

So why were thousands of people in London on Saturday?

I think you’re burying your head in the sand tickingbird. It wasn’t a day trip, it was an organised event. The EDF communicates to its members, and they turn up from all over the country to join in. It may have declined in the 2010s, but there’s a definite resurgence.

Sorry Kadinsky I genuinely don’t understand what you mean

Well…..when black people riot here in the UK ( & they have on many an occasion )
what do you think of them?
What names would you call them?

Just curious.

EDL and the likes of them have a massive following of disenfranchised white men

They are setting us up against one another
This is what anarchy is 😭