Riots in Southport

Bravo the people of Southport.

This is how Southport responded.

A group of around 100 members of the community are repairing damage to the local mosque, seen here rebuilding a wall.

St Luke’s Road, last night strewn with rubble and debris, has already been cleared.

Wonderful.

Merseyside Police confirm the 17-year-old suspect was born in Cardiff, contrary to online claims that he was an immigrant who arrived by small boat ‘A 17-year-old male from Banks in Lancashire, who was born in Cardiff, has been arrested on suspicion of murder and attempted murder and has been taken to a police station where he will be interviewed by detectives’.

They wanted the killer to be a migrant. They wanted the killer to be muslin. But, if he wasn’t they were going to riot anyway

Freya5

westendgirl

Urmstongran, please no more what ifs or stirring. You know very little about the young man, please wait with your comments until you do.It's not the time.

The riots were dreadful caused by the far right mob who can't wait to have a go at the police.There was an appeal last night by the family of one of the victims to stop the violence. These grieving people should not have to go through this as well .
I know our thoughts and prayers are with them and their community.

You're very quick to condem the rioters as "far right". Could be far left as well, for all you know. Rioters in Paris comes to mind. Very quick to judge all those who are angry about this. No I do not condone any rioting, and certainly attacks on the police and emergency services are beyond reprehensible.

Amazing comment- as we all know that so called Tommy Robinson was behind the whole thing, uring EDL members to go to Southport. The situation in Paris comes from a totally different angle- and comparing the two is, sorry, massively ignorant.

Freya, the EDL like the BNP is a far right organisation. I’m surprised you weren’t aware of that
The behaviour of their thugs last night is typical of the organisation. They claim to be patriotic yet attack our police and emergency services. Fifty officers and some police dogs injured last night. Some of the officers would have been involved in responding to the murderous attacks on those little girls and teachers

Wyllow3

How dare the BNP use a community like this in distress?

This- just the very last thing the family and communtiy needed at this terrible time.

It is sickening that some MPs approve of this, and we know that some her on GN support them too. Yaxley aka Robinson is a massive traitor, has left the UK on an Irish Passport and lives in Spain. He should never be allowed to return to UK, and Spain should kick him out too.

Freya5

westendgirl

Urmstongran, please no more what ifs or stirring. You know very little about the young man, please wait with your comments until you do.It's not the time.

The riots were dreadful caused by the far right mob who can't wait to have a go at the police.There was an appeal last night by the family of one of the victims to stop the violence. These grieving people should not have to go through this as well .
I know our thoughts and prayers are with them and their community.

You're very quick to condem the rioters as "far right". Could be far left as well, for all you know. Rioters in Paris comes to mind. Very quick to judge all those who are angry about this. No I do not condone any rioting, and certainly attacks on the police and emergency services are beyond reprehensible.

The EDL is a very far right organisation. Its roots go back to the BNP. No point in denying this.

Its key values are Islamophobia and opposition to our political establishment (including Conservatives) as being soft an ineffective. Tommy Robinson's views are well known and documented.

In his escape from the country
"On Sunday, the founder of the English Defence League went to the Channel Tunnel terminal at Folkestone, where police officers stopped him under counter-terrorism powers

So who were these rioters? Tommy Robinson was inciting his followers all day to go to Southport. Unless another group got in on the act, the likelihood is that these were EDL thugs. The EDL is a far right group, using the normal definition.

westendgirl

Urmstongran, please no more what ifs or stirring. You know very little about the young man, please wait with your comments until you do.It's not the time.

The riots were dreadful caused by the far right mob who can't wait to have a go at the police.There was an appeal last night by the family of one of the victims to stop the violence. These grieving people should not have to go through this as well .
I know our thoughts and prayers are with them and their community.

You're very quick to condem the rioters as "far right". Could be far left as well, for all you know. Rioters in Paris comes to mind. Very quick to judge all those who are angry about this. No I do not condone any rioting, and certainly attacks on the police and emergency services are beyond reprehensible.

karmalady

People are frustrated at not knowing the truth, the police have to be bland in statements because of law restrictions, I think from europe

This left a vacuum and the brainless yobs filled it with hateful mob behavior

What has it to do with Europe?

As regards "the truth"

imo The police are rightly cautious issuing information until it's absolutely clear to them and done responsibly not bit by bit revelations on factors that come to light slowly and need checking.

The problems have/had been the initial gross SM post on X that identified the attacker by false name and origin.

This led to a thread on the topic now deleted in GN because GN posters were reporting it as fact and claiming they had "the truth" - only to be proved dreadfully wrong,

Those were the very same SM X rumours that fed the riots last night where (to update) 50 - yes 50 police were injured by the EDL. Despite the X rumour had been proved wrong before the riots took place.

It was far too early for the police to make full statements before this speculation begun

but as you rightfully said re the riots "hateful mob behavior"

Namsnanny

I say again who has a monopoly on the truth, you Iam?

I don’t know the truth about the background to these dreadful murders
I don’t pretend to.

Have just read reports that they were "professional rioters", driven there to cause mayhem, what has happened to this country!!

MaizieD

nanna8

Have to say I have never heard of the EDL. Don’t think I want to know about whatever it is,either, by the sounds of it. Is it peculiar to the UK ?

EDL is the English Defence League. Thugs led by rabble rousers like Tommy Robinson. Very similar in attitude to the football supporters gangs which got so much publicity for their violence and mindless destructive tendencies in the 1980s.

They think they are great patriots defending the English way of life.

They sound particularly nasty, thanks for replying MaisieD

nanna8

The problem with withholding information is that it makes people think there is something to hide and a certain element will always twist things to fit their own agendas. It is also quite patronising. It might be better if they had said outright that the kid had mental health problems or whatever rather than leave it open to speculation. It is always better to tell the truth. After that loony killer in Sydney they came clean and gave out details and there was no rioting whatsoever, only grief and sympathy for the bereaved.

Please don't use the term loony.. It comes from the french word La Lune, meaning moon.. when people used to think that the moon affected Mental Health

What law restrictions from Europe would they be then?

People are frustrated at not knowing the truth, the police have to be bland in statements because of law restrictions, I think from europe

This left a vacuum and the brainless yobs filled it with hateful mob behavior

I say again who has a monopoly on the truth, you Iam?

Who nominated you as thread monitor to wrongly accuse MaizieD of acting like a child and a bully?
I did read urmston’s post. We sit at opposite ends politically but have more to unite than divide us. On this occasion I disagreed completely with urmston’s post. I found it inflammatory. There is no evidence so far that this 17 year old was a Muslim whose unspeakable crimes were the result of that.
I agree with others, it hasn’t helped to refer to children, not women and girls. Particularly given Starmer’s focus on crimes against women and girls.
The mis information on line alleging the perpetrator arrived here on a boat should have been addressed by giving some honest information, not simply saying he was born in Cardiff.
I almost said the public are old enough to deal with facts but events in Southport last night say otherwise

MaizieD

Urmstongran

MaizieD

Do people like the EDL worry you as well, Ug or is your concern confined to Muslims?

Of course these mindless ‘rent a mob’ worry me.

Well, why didn't you stick to talking about the EDL thugs , instead of derailing the thread with your anti muslim gossip rhetoric...?

That's quite enough MazieD
Your acting like a child and a bully.

Urmstonegran

I didnt get to read your deleted post, but your not known for deliberately de railing posts.

Btw does anybody have a monopoly on the truth here?

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

Anti Muslim rhetoric plays a huge part of the fuel that keeps the EDL thugs alight.

They are inextricably linked.

But I don't think Urmstongran is a member of the EDL, so she doesn't need to be kept alight about Muslims.

Now you are just being rather silly.

Urmstongran was reiterating what is in the news.

Whether or not the allegations about the murderer are true will come to light over the next few weeks.

Maybe they are true, although it seems unlikely, especially the bit about him arriving on a boat last year.

However, the point is that at the moment there is absolutely no reason to link the attack the attack with anything Muslim. Discussing Muslims on a thread about thugs hi-jacking a vigil for three murdered girls is totally irrelevant.

I hope the EDL will become a proscribed group. (ie on the M6 watch list, if they aren't already).

growstuff

TerriBull

So I cannot recall where I read that he was known to have mh issues. Nevertheless, because of swirling conjecture surrounding the case, it may well be just that a supposition and not conclusiv. Possibly conflated with other attacks, Nottingham for instance and others where the perpetrators have been known to present a threat.

I think it could have been. Some dodgy "news site" originating in America published an article allegedly naming him and claiming he had mental health issues which were known about. All sorts of people picked it up (which is why a thread on GN was deleted). The article also claimed that he had arrived on a boat last year. It was all complete and utter nonsense, but had already been spread all over the internet.

not only that, it was on the BBC news webpage

When the perpetrator is eventually confirmed to be a UK boy of Christian faith with Rwandan background and an extensive history of undertreated mental health issues, I wonder where the EDL will want to go and burn down then? Perhaps the local CAMHS unit?

GrannyGravy13

Anti Muslim rhetoric plays a huge part of the fuel that keeps the EDL thugs alight.

They are inextricably linked.

This, combined with an anarchic hatred of the political establishment. (wiki has details). Hence the anti-police stance.

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

Anti Muslim rhetoric plays a huge part of the fuel that keeps the EDL thugs alight.

They are inextricably linked.

But I don't think Urmstongran is a member of the EDL, so she doesn't need to be kept alight about Muslims.

Now you are just being rather silly.

Urmstongran was reiterating what is in the news.

Whether or not the allegations about the murderer are true will come to light over the next few weeks.