Riots in Southport

OldFrill

Very shortly after the dreadful incident people were spreading misinformation for their own ends, to invent an excuse to promote their racist agenda and violence. It was SO obvious yet even on Gransnet misinformation was being reposted with the insistence it was true. It is absolutely disgusting. Now is the time for respect, not violence, false accusations, thuggery - idle speculation and abhorrent gossip. The poor children of Southport must be trembling in their beds with fear.
Every thug at that mosque tonight should be eradicated from this earth. Every person spreading false rumours, whether intentional or blindly, should be held to account.
Bless the families, the children, our first responders and all those who hold truth dear.

A very moving post. It's so desperately sad.

The more I think about this incident, the more I think it doesn't have much to do with the identity of the murderer. The EDL attacked a mosque because they knew the police would turn up and they then had an opportunity to attack the police - all directed by Tommy Robinson from Spain.

I hope they have been caught and get the proper sentences. I was going to say get the punishment they deserve but that is not likely to happen, unfortunately as that descends to their level.

eazybee

Rondoallature
Hard common sense. I applaud you.

I notice the thread about the murders yesterday has disappeared. Is this because of all the wild speculation being posted about the identity of the perpetrator?

Its disappeared because whoever keeps an eye on this site thought is was inflammatory and offensive.

Callistemon213

growstuff

Why does the public need to know?

Because that might prevent these rumours and therefore these indiscriminate riots, aimed at the wrong targets.

16 is seemingly being considered as old enough to vote.

Old enough to carry out seemingly premeditated murders of small children, old enough to be named.

Maybe people should have learnt by now not to listen to unsubstantiated rumours. Maybe the law about disclosing identities of minors should be changed, but in this case the law is being followed. I really don't see that it's in the public interest to know.

Mine are also with the police officers who have had to deal with this. Some of them were first responders to the scene on Monday. Instead of being able to take time out to try to come to terms with what they witnessed and dealt with then, they had to go back on duty to support their colleagues against these thugs.

Thirty-nine police officers have been injured after unrest broke out in Southport hours after a vigil took place to remember the victims of a knife attack in which three children were killed, the North West Ambulance Service said.

Earlier, Merseyside Police said eight officers sustained serious injuries including fractures, lacerations, a suspected broken nose and concussion.

Other injuries included one officer being knocked unconscious, as well as some suffering head and serious facial injuries. Three police dogs were also hurt, with two having bricks thrown at them.

growstuff

Why does the public need to know?

Because that might prevent these rumours and therefore these indiscriminate riots, aimed at the wrong targets.

16 is seemingly being considered as old enough to vote.

Old enough to carry out seemingly premeditated murders of small children, old enough to be named.

Bloody EDL,what the hell is the matter with them, rent a mob, demonstrating outside a mosque. They loot, they destroy, they commit violence. They are thugs.
Social media paid a part as well. What don't these thickos understand that they cannot name the knifeman as he is underage. These idiots were wound up by social media. Talk about goad the ignorant.
My thoughts are with all the parents of the children and the dignified dignified people at the vigil in Southport.

Why does the public need to know?

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nanna8

The problem with withholding information is that it makes people think there is something to hide and a certain element will always twist things to fit their own agendas. It is also quite patronising. It might be better if they had said outright that the kid had mental health problems or whatever rather than leave it open to speculation. It is always better to tell the truth. After that loony killer in Sydney they came clean and gave out details and there was no rioting whatsoever, only grief and sympathy for the bereaved.

Information is being withheld because he's under 18 and in the UK, even those who are "caught in the act" of a crime are innocent until proved guilty and have a right to some privacy.

Even if his name were public, there is still no justification for the riot in Southport directed at the police. We do not live in a vigilante society. In any case, three little girls have died and it shows absolutely no respect for the family and friends to increase the trauma even more.

The rioters are thugs and have no more right to know the name of the attacker than anybody else.

The problem with withholding information is that it makes people think there is something to hide and a certain element will always twist things to fit their own agendas. It is also quite patronising. It might be better if they had said outright that the kid had mental health problems or whatever rather than leave it open to speculation. It is always better to tell the truth. After that loony killer in Sydney they came clean and gave out details and there was no rioting whatsoever, only grief and sympathy for the bereaved.

Macadia

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How would closing any borders have stopped this attack? You seem to have fallen for the lie that the attacker is foreign.

Macadia

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The border from Wales?

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Thoughts with all the families.

I'm beginning to wonder if this wasn't really directed at Muslims but at the police, against whom Tommy Robinson has a grudge. He skipped bail yesterday and an arrest warrant has been issued in Spain. He needs to keep the narrative going that it's the police against "us" and he wants to try and show that the police deal with Muslims more leniently than people like him. He's been on and on all day about how his arrest is unfair and the police and "establishment" have it in for him. He's used the fake news about the attacker in Southport to incite his followers and has been telling people to go there. I don't have polite words I could write on GN to describe what I think of him (or Farage, who also made a recording hinting that the attacker is Muslim). The latter is an MP and should be more responsible.

Rekarie

Well it's been chaos round here. My daughter lives very close by. I was there looking after my youngest grandson and suddenly the police sirens were heard, emergency vehicles flashing past. Friends who live by the mosque turned up as the police had told the people living in that street to leave.

Black acrid smoke filled the air, luckily it's died down. It's all quietening thank goodness but we're hoping this doesn't kick off again.

It's all madness. Don't know what they want! The boy is 17, he won't be named and what good would that even do.

We know he was born in Wales and lived a quiet life with his family. None of whom have been in trouble with the police.

So much speculation and fake news. It's never ending. The wonderful Internet which we all love is the cause of this. Social Media has a lot to answer to.

But hopefully we can concentrate on sending love and wishes to those still in hospital.

It's so sad. The families will not want this violent aggression. Their lives have been ruined. All that is needed now is peace and love and support. Let's hope they get that.

So very sorry Rekarie

Galaxy

I think there is some attempt by the media, etc to hide information about the perpetrator, I understand why they are doing that, particularly in light of his age but it is futile. I dont even think they have any choice, but the fact they are really bad at it doesnt help matters.

It is illegal for the media to identify the 17 year old even though they know his name, because he is under 18.
Obviously many people are aware who he is. At some point it is likely reporting restrictions will be lifted and he will be identified.
Arrangements will have to be made to protect his family.

Well it's been chaos round here. My daughter lives very close by. I was there looking after my youngest grandson and suddenly the police sirens were heard, emergency vehicles flashing past. Friends who live by the mosque turned up as the police had told the people living in that street to leave.

Black acrid smoke filled the air, luckily it's died down. It's all quietening thank goodness but we're hoping this doesn't kick off again.

It's all madness. Don't know what they want! The boy is 17, he won't be named and what good would that even do.

We know he was born in Wales and lived a quiet life with his family. None of whom have been in trouble with the police.

So much speculation and fake news. It's never ending. The wonderful Internet which we all love is the cause of this. Social Media has a lot to answer to.

But hopefully we can concentrate on sending love and wishes to those still in hospital.

It's so sad. The families will not want this violent aggression. Their lives have been ruined. All that is needed now is peace and love and support. Let's hope they get that.

I think there is some attempt by the media, etc to hide information about the perpetrator, I understand why they are doing that, particularly in light of his age but it is futile. I dont even think they have any choice, but the fact they are really bad at it doesnt help matters.

I was born in Southport
. Left at 9 months and never visited since Never returned but thought it was a peaceful place.

Galaxy

I didnt say anyone should be inciting violence did I, I think the information will be available in the public sphere fairly quickly. I think pretending it wont be is futile.

Who's pretending?

I didnt say anyone should be inciting violence did I, I think the information will be available in the public sphere fairly quickly. I think pretending it wont be is futile.

Galaxy

My guess is the information will be public knowledge in a matter of days, we arent in the 1970s, it is not generally possible to keep that information secret any more.

So what?

We don't have the information now and nobody has the right to incite the kind of violence which happened in Southport today. Apparently, Tommy Robinson has been on TikTok all day telling his supporters to go to Southport.

Even if the murderer is a Muslim, it doesn't make every other Muslim guilty.

There is absolutely no excuse for that kind of pre-planned mindless thuggery.

People's thought should be with the family of the dead and injured in Southport, not being even more traumatised by violence in the streets.