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Huw Edwards arrives at court this morning

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GrannyGravy13 Wed 31-Jul-24 10:11:06

The former BBC Newscaster and anchor man for so many State occasions is appearing in court today with having indecent images of children.

Over 30 images in all, with three being of the most serious level…

Dickens Thu 01-Aug-24 14:44:37

Iam64

Help for people, most often men, who are sexually attracted to children is available and has been for years. It’s accessed via a GP. Mental health or children’s services social workers can help by making referrals

As Annie says, getting alcoholics/substance abusers to engage with therapy is difficult and that’s something many people understand on some levels

The research into outcomes following group therapy isn’t promising. My limited knowledge of individual treatment for men who have sexually abused children isn’t reassuring

I fear any attempt to reduce the social stigma can only result in more children at risk

The research into outcomes following group therapy isn’t promising. My limited knowledge of individual treatment for men who have sexually abused children isn’t reassuring

That doesn't really surprise me - or others I'd imagine - but it's very depressing.

I had a rather fierce debate with a man some time ago on the subject of prostitution. I was arguing that it wasn't something I'd be keen to promote as a life-style choice or 'career' if I had a teenage daughter. He was verbally quite cynically brutal telling me that once my 'daughter' was 16 she would make her own choices and that it was bugger all to do with me what she chose to do with her life; and informed me that it was perfectly acceptable, once a girl had 'come of age', to trade sex for money, and that women like me should mind my own business because - and this is the bit that has stuck in my mind for years - he said, men have needs.

The reason I mention this episode is because I found it profoundly depressing and because, in relation to paedophilia, I do wonder if men's needs (and it is usually men) is such a dominant instinct that they feel they have a 'right' to indulge in whatever kink or perversion they want to - even though they are quite aware that, where paedophilia is concerned, it is never a victim-less crime - and the fact that it is a crime, seems not to be a deterrent. Nor does the fact that these men might also have children of their own. They want what they want, and they are going to have it. Regardless.

That might explain why what you have learned about individual treatment for men isn't very reassuring.

I did point out to this particular brute, that lots of people have all sorts of needs- some deep seated, the disabled, for example, might have a need to be loved or for someone to care for them, but life is tough and they - and we - don't always get what we want or need; nor are young girls of 16 mere objects that simply exist for their sexual impulses or urges, to be used (and not infrequently abused) and then forgotten about like some used commodity.

My late ex's brother once said to me - he and his wife at the time fostered children who'd been abused in their home environment (boys as well as girls) - that the problem is that such men don't give a hoot about morality, right or wrong, or consequences, when the 'urge' comes over them, and that nothing - no therapy or counselling, would make a blind bit of difference. He was, at the time, fostering a young boy who'd been sexually abused by his father but who had been allowed (the father) limited, but unsupervised time with his son once a week, outside of the home environment. The outcome of that wasn't reassuring either. The boy was removed from my BIL and wife's care and re-fostered because my BIL caused a problem for social services through questioning the 'advisability' of allowing unsupervised contact (BIL and his wife are both now deceased, which is why I can write about this).

I don't know what he answer is but one thing remains clear - children don't exist for the purpose of men's 'pleasure'. Their safe guarding is and always will be paramount.

I'd also question the 'age of consent' in such circumstances. Does a girl or boy go to bed at age 15 and wake up the next morning at 16 fully able to understand all the complexities of adult sexual behaviour - do their brains undergo some miraculous process overnight which renders them fully cognisant of the adult world?

bmacca Thu 01-Aug-24 14:42:18

During my career in child protection, I had some involvement with the services set up by Ray Wyre for sex offenders. He was also involved with the Lucy Faithful Foundation who work with offenders. I have to say from my personal experience, I only saw limited positive outcomes but I think they do valuable work

Callistemon213 Thu 01-Aug-24 14:35:01

Tuaim

About 2 years ago I was watching Huw Edwards reading the news. He had a particularly modern hair cut for a man of his age and standing and something quite strange went through my mind 'That's weird' but I put it to the back of my mind and thought 'Oh well, he is trying to be out there with the younger generation'. Perhaps our inner instincts do flag up base gut feelings and we ignore them because we think they are nonsense.

What kind of modern haircut?

Shaved sides, as is fashionable with men and women?
Or a mullet? French crop?

I'd have put it down to a mid-life crisis but I honestly don't remember.

Anniebach Thu 01-Aug-24 14:22:30

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Anniebach
Your post Tuaim with respect is nonsense
How incredibly rude of you! The use of the word 'nonsense' is most uncalled for. Please note that I use the words 'perhaps' and 'nonsense'. I was merely surmising and expressing what was a personal opinion. We are all entitled to our own opinions and it is most uncalled for to provide such a harsh response without defending your own post with evidence. Please don't just dismiss what other posters put without justifying your response. How rude!

I apologise if I was rude, I didn’t think so. You really believe a change of haircut triggers your instincts ?

Anniebach Thu 01-Aug-24 14:03:24

Report to the police your instincts tell you a haircut is ?

Galaxy Thu 01-Aug-24 13:59:12

Actually instincts are often right.

Tuaim Thu 01-Aug-24 13:56:13

Anniebach

Your post Tuaim with respect is nonsense

How incredibly rude of you! The use of the word 'nonsense' is most uncalled for. Please note that I use the words 'perhaps' and 'nonsense'. I was merely surmising and expressing what was a personal opinion. We are all entitled to our own opinions and it is most uncalled for to provide such a harsh response without defending your own post with evidence. Please don't just dismiss what other posters put without justifying your response. How rude!

keepingquiet Thu 01-Aug-24 13:45:22

I agree Anniebach! How silly.

Anniebach Thu 01-Aug-24 13:30:59

Your post Tuaim with respect is nonsense

Tuaim Thu 01-Aug-24 13:11:47

About 2 years ago I was watching Huw Edwards reading the news. He had a particularly modern hair cut for a man of his age and standing and something quite strange went through my mind 'That's weird' but I put it to the back of my mind and thought 'Oh well, he is trying to be out there with the younger generation'. Perhaps our inner instincts do flag up base gut feelings and we ignore them because we think they are nonsense.

Iam64 Thu 01-Aug-24 13:05:08

Help for people, most often men, who are sexually attracted to children is available and has been for years. It’s accessed via a GP. Mental health or children’s services social workers can help by making referrals

As Annie says, getting alcoholics/substance abusers to engage with therapy is difficult and that’s something many people understand on some levels

The research into outcomes following group therapy isn’t promising. My limited knowledge of individual treatment for men who have sexually abused children isn’t reassuring

I fear any attempt to reduce the social stigma can only result in more children at risk

Anniebach Thu 01-Aug-24 12:34:19

Almost impossible Doodledog

Doodledog Thu 01-Aug-24 12:33:15

Anniebach

It’s difficult getting alcoholics to attend A.A.

Yes, which is why I think it must be even more difficult to get people to seek help for something much more taboo.

Anniebach Thu 01-Aug-24 12:26:43

It’s difficult getting alcoholics to attend A.A.

mabon1 Thu 01-Aug-24 12:20:00

Jimmy Savile springs to mind

Doodledog Thu 01-Aug-24 12:18:52

icanhandthemback

JaneJudge

I watched a program on it and the 'experts' (therapists) on the program suggested there should be a push towards encouraging people to seek help. There was a young man on it who recognised he was a paedophile but sought therapy to help him deal with it, rather than offending as he knew it was wrong. I found it quite interesting

The trouble is, the connotations for seeking help leave a person vulnerable for the rest of their lives. Imagine being seen visiting the clinic! I suppose it is easier with online sessions these days but it takes a very brave person to admit that they have these tendencies and to try to do something about them.

Yes, this is what I was getting at earlier. If it is something that can't be helped (ie the condition, not the acting on it) then should the push be to help rather than punish, and remove some of the stigma? I don't know, as there have to be lines in the sand that people know they cross at their peril.

I think it should be possible to talk about it without hysteria though. The protection of children has to be the priority with no exceptions, but I wonder whether more children would be protected if potential abusers could get therapy without risking social exclusion and sanctions. I don't know the answer, but I think the question is worth asking.

JN450 Thu 01-Aug-24 10:52:26

TerriBull

Time and time again the BBC create such colussus, and then knowing about what they've indulged in, shield them from any scrutiny, Saville being the worst example. He remained the bogus national treasure created by the corporatuon and completely untouchable in his lifetime. They pay such people enormous amounts of public money. I think the public's patience with the BBC is beginning to wane, I do wonder if they can continue to exist in their present form, when they're being squeezed by alternative platforms.

I agree 100% with your comment. I personally lost patience with the BBC several years ago and subsequently cancelled my licence and haven’t had one since. With so many other platforms out there which you can view on demand I can honestly say I haven’t missed it (or the other channels which I obviously also cannot watch live). It’s a shame as it was once a trusted and reliable source, sadly, with events like this and others, no longer.

Washerwoman Thu 01-Aug-24 10:33:27

What I find equally shocking and makes me as angry is that the person who sent these vile images was given a 12 month suspended sentence.Really ?for graphic moving images of children between 7 and 9.A similar age to our DCG.I could weep for those exploited children.

MissAdventure Thu 01-Aug-24 10:32:59

Oh, I agree.
It is.

Anniebach Thu 01-Aug-24 10:31:50

Sorry but giving in is choosing ,

MissAdventure Thu 01-Aug-24 10:29:50

Because it's a heinous act, if anyone gives in to their urges, and illegal.

I'd seek help if I felt strongly that I was going to stab someone, or burn a house and its inhabitants.

Anniebach Thu 01-Aug-24 10:19:29

If there is choice there is free will, why seek help ?

MissAdventure Thu 01-Aug-24 10:15:25

People can choose to act on their urges, or not.

Anniebach Thu 01-Aug-24 10:12:36

Why seek help ? On this thread seems it’s a choice

icanhandthemback Thu 01-Aug-24 10:00:52

JaneJudge

I watched a program on it and the 'experts' (therapists) on the program suggested there should be a push towards encouraging people to seek help. There was a young man on it who recognised he was a paedophile but sought therapy to help him deal with it, rather than offending as he knew it was wrong. I found it quite interesting

The trouble is, the connotations for seeking help leave a person vulnerable for the rest of their lives. Imagine being seen visiting the clinic! I suppose it is easier with online sessions these days but it takes a very brave person to admit that they have these tendencies and to try to do something about them.