The fact that neither Khelif or Yu-ting appealed the IBA decision or the DNA test results says it all.
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Boxer forces female competitor to quit at the Olympic games [Title edited by GNHQ at poster's request]
(434 Posts)I know there's a thread in Sport about the games but think this deserves it's own thread.
Algerian TW boxer Imane Khelif landed a huge right hand on the Italian female competitor, forcing her to quit after just 46 seconds into the bout.
Ambiguous genitalia at birth could lead to the wrong sex being assigned.
The parents would therefore bring the child up as the sex assigned at birth even if that is wrong.
It's no good looking at pictures of the small child and judging by that. Even many boys who are not wrongly assigned at birth can still be very pretty as a small child but changes show at puberty when testerone levels rise.
Imane has male levels of testerone as well as male chromosomes and was rightly banned by the IBA.
I'm amazed that some think that it is fine for this person to be in the ring with a woman.
The second male boxer competing in the women’s boxing has won his match.
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Photo of how he dresses when not boxing.
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Syracute
I would like to point out that nowhere has this competitor identified as transgender and she was born a female and is female in her passport . These are the facts .
The female in the passport means absolutely nothing! India Willoughby, a transwoman ie a male, has the F marker in his passport too. You can change the sex marker on your passport on request, nothing else needed. I could become M tomorrow should I wish.
I think it's been established the boxer doesn't identify as transgender, but has failed DNA testing. DNA doesn't lie.
Syracute
I would like to point out that nowhere has this competitor identified as transgender and she was born a female and is female in her passport . These are the facts .
Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting have been tested by the IBA.
Both were found to have XY chromosomes, which indicate a male.
They may have been assigned female at birth, have female on their passports, but as far as I am aware and biologists agree, chromosomes cannot be changed…
Syracute
I would like to point out that nowhere has this competitor identified as transgender and she was born a female and is female in her passport . These are the facts .
A female with XY chromosomes?
An oxymoron, as SueDonim says.
Is that a new gender now?
I would like to point out that nowhere has this competitor identified as transgender and she was born a female and is female in her passport . These are the facts .
Imane Khelif does look rather smug in the post "match" photographs.
Not just winning a boxing match (if you can call it a win, it is not in fact), but winning the war for men who are trying to invade women's sports and spaces too.
paddyann54
The Algerian boxer was BORN FEMALE. Her records are there to be seen,she has been boxing for years despite herNATURAL high testosterone level.Anyone remember the furore about a female runner wing the same high testosterone issue in a previous competition?She also had a male physique and was devastated by the awful lies told about her….seems in competition if you don’t look like a pretty wee girl they lie and call you a man.A lot of apologies ,or even some regret about what’s been said on here are needed.
Are you referring to Caster Semenya as the female runner? In which case you are wrong again. Caster Semenya has 5ARD a DSD that only affects males.
These boxers were disqualified by the IBA because they failed genetic testing. Perhaps you don't understand DNA paddyann54, it's in every cell of your body, identifies your sex and never changes? They were not disqualified for naturally high testosterone levels in females. As a point of interest there is no overlap between the female range, even those females with POS, and the male range. It's strange that neither boxer appealed the IBA decision, which they were entitled to do. Maybe because they knew any tests would ratify the disqualification.
paddyann54
The Algerian boxer was BORN FEMALE. Her records are there to be seen,she has been boxing for years despite herNATURAL high testosterone level.Anyone remember the furore about a female runner wing the same high testosterone issue in a previous competition?She also had a male physique and was devastated by the awful lies told about her….seems in competition if you don’t look like a pretty wee girl they lie and call you a man.A lot of apologies ,or even some regret about what’s been said on here are needed.
she has been boxing for years
He was banned by the IBA.
A lot of apologies ,or even some regret about what’s been said on here are needed.
Good idea. We await with interest.
paddyann54
The Algerian boxer was BORN FEMALE. Her records are there to be seen,she has been boxing for years despite herNATURAL high testosterone level.Anyone remember the furore about a female runner wing the same high testosterone issue in a previous competition?She also had a male physique and was devastated by the awful lies told about her….seems in competition if you don’t look like a pretty wee girl they lie and call you a man.A lot of apologies ,or even some regret about what’s been said on here are needed.
Chromosomes and testosterone levels in the male range don't lie.
A passport may.
Parents could bring up a child as a girl even if that child is genetically male. It doesn't change the sex of that person
Yup. There's morons around right enough!
paddyann54
The Algerian boxer was BORN FEMALE. Her records are there to be seen,she has been boxing for years despite herNATURAL high testosterone level.Anyone remember the furore about a female runner wing the same high testosterone issue in a previous competition?She also had a male physique and was devastated by the awful lies told about her….seems in competition if you don’t look like a pretty wee girl they lie and call you a man.A lot of apologies ,or even some regret about what’s been said on here are needed.
They were assigned female at birth, which is not the same as born female
They have XY chromosomes.
Maybe an apology for your keyboard shouting would be nice.
A female with XY chromosomes? Reality and biology tells me that that’s an oxymoron.
I think I will believe the professional boxing associations view over someone that shouts on GN
The Algerian boxer was BORN FEMALE. Her records are there to be seen,she has been boxing for years despite herNATURAL high testosterone level.Anyone remember the furore about a female runner wing the same high testosterone issue in a previous competition?She also had a male physique and was devastated by the awful lies told about her….seems in competition if you don’t look like a pretty wee girl they lie and call you a man.A lot of apologies ,or even some regret about what’s been said on here are needed.
Apologies if anyone’s posted this already, but according to today’s Times, J K Rowling sent this message to Kirsty Burrows, head of the International Olympic Committee’s safe sport unit:
“A young female boxer has has just had everything she’s worked and trained for snatched away, because you allowed a male to get in the ring with her. You’re a disgrace, your ‘safeguarding’ is a joke, and #Paris24 will be for ever tarnished by the brutal injustice done to Carini.’
👏👏👏 JKR!
tickingbird
Ladyripple
The title of this thread needs to be changed! The boxer is NOT a trans person.He is a man!
Apparently she was born female. I don’t understand it tbh,
This person is believed to have the DSD 5ARD, which only affects males. With this condition the genitalia are often very ambiguous and as MissAdventure said up thread, in the past all babies born like this were classified female as it was "easier" It often becomes obvious at puberty with the absence of periods and the changing body shape more aligned with a male that the classification was wrong. DNA doesn't lie and doesn't change, and a simple test reveals the true sex.
This is a direct quote from Sharon Davies, a true advocate for women
How anyone looks should not be the issue. A simple sex screening test. Took me 2 mins in 1976. Cotton bud wiped on the inside of your cheek. Female athletes voted 82% in favour of keeping it in 1996. The IOC still stopped it so why ask?
The big question is why not do this for every athlete? It only needs to be done once, is not of an intimate or embarrassing nature, and the recorded result is on record for all future events. Why do some "high ups" not want this simple, accurate test carried out? What do they fear?
karmalady
internal testes capable of fathering babies, male puberty and not female puberty, XY chromosomes. He is male, no doubt whatsoever. Playing the system and I hope it comes back to haunt him
I think in earlier posts you may be referencing Caster Semenya, not this boxer who does not have children. Caster Semenya's wife has given birth to two children, I don't believe it has ever been officially stated that Caster is the biological father.
Ladyripple
The title of this thread needs to be changed! The boxer is NOT a trans person.He is a man!
Apparently she was born female. I don’t understand it tbh,
The title of this thread needs to be changed! The boxer is NOT a trans person.He is a man!
ordinarygirl
Boxing is a strange activity- paying people to beat people up . Why is violence ( male or female)- accepted ? just because it is condoned as a sport, does it mean it is correct. Look at the brain injuries Mohamed Ali for one
It is.
Boxing is a strange activity- paying people to beat people up . Why is violence ( male or female)- accepted ? just because it is condoned as a sport, does it mean it is correct. Look at the brain injuries Mohamed Ali for one
Grantanow
The IOC spokesperson said it was not a trans issue.
The interview I saw he said that they were put in the category according to their passports.
Both boxers have female on theirs.
There were no swob tests carried out before the games, which would have clarified their chromosomes.
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