Boxer forces female competitor to quit at the Olympic games [Title edited by GNHQ at poster's request]

XX or XY is pretty conclusive. Just test. Test now before medals are awarded.

Rosie51

Cossy yes as a parent I'd accept a child being tested as soon as they started accredited competition. It's a cheek swab. If they've ever visited a dentist they've had far more probing into their mouth. It's not embarrassing, invasive or intimate, what's to worry about?
Actually re-reading your post do you mean a child who isn't into competitive sports? I'd not object per se but would think it an awful waste of money when their sex was irrelevant.

Test by all means, but test everyone I agree!! Perhaps you could join in those who want the IOC to reinstate sex testing which they are determined not to do.

Syracute nobody is promoting hate, just fairness to all. Do you understand that is well known that sometimes a male baby with the DSD 5Ard is mistakenly thought to be a girl, and registered as such. There are documented cases, so a birth certificate can be wrong. Given that trans people are given the right to change the sex marker on their birth certificate in an increasing number of countries, reliance on this document will naturally decrease over time.

You have NO proof that this woman is anything but a woman she has fought 90 fights as a woman and lost 9 . The only information that conflicts with this is from a discredited boxing association that is run by Russians who might have a reason to discredit this woman . Since you are persisting in claiming otherwise and supporting this false information like so many others I call it hate speech . You will find no credible information that says otherwise . Please stop !

High profile that should say.

Cossy yes as a parent I'd accept a child being tested as soon as they started accredited competition. It's a cheek swab. If they've ever visited a dentist they've had far more probing into their mouth. It's not embarrassing, invasive or intimate, what's to worry about?
Actually re-reading your post do you mean a child who isn't into competitive sports? I'd not object per se but would think it an awful waste of money when their sex was irrelevant.

Test by all means, but test everyone I agree!! Perhaps you could join in those who want the IOC to reinstate sex testing which they are determined not to do.

Syracute nobody is promoting hate, just fairness to all. Do you understand that is well known that sometimes a male baby with the DSD 5Ard is mistakenly thought to be a girl, and registered as such. There are documented cases, so a birth certificate can be wrong. Given that trans people are given the right to change the sex marker on their birth certificate in an increasing number of countries, reliance on this document will naturally decrease over time.

Yes that is what many of the the profile athletes are asking for.

Can we please stop referring to this issue as “trans” it isn’t!

Both these boxers were declared or defined at birth as female, they were brought up as female, they believe they are female, their family believe they are female.

As I keep stating none of us know the truth

Test by all means, but test everyone

Rosie51

^It really is too late now in this Olympics.^

I disagree. Given that every medal winner will be compelled to give a sample to be checked for drug misuse, and the result will be known very quickly, with guilty parties immediately disqualified, why not a sex test too? Athletes are subject to 'out of competition' random drug testing in an effort to maintain fairness, but the IOC are resolute in their opposition to sex testing. Why they have zero interest in maintaining women's sport for females only is anyone's guess.

In my opinion buccal swabs should be taken as soon as accredited competition starts, not wait until the athletes are 18.
Too many areas in sport are allowing self ID that will result in some girls not wanting to continue when they are matched against boys who they just can't beat. Elite athletes don't just appear at 18 they've been working their socks off for years and years.

I understand about when sporting competitors start competing, would you consent as a parent to a child being tested??

Shame on you all for believing fake information spread by pundits and non accredited news sites . There was her Dad with her birth certificate today and you will still deny she is female . This thread should be shut down for promoting hate speech .

I'll say one thing for Mark Smith: once he and the IOC are in a hole, he really knows how to carry on digging.

It really is too late now in this Olympics.

I disagree. Given that every medal winner will be compelled to give a sample to be checked for drug misuse, and the result will be known very quickly, with guilty parties immediately disqualified, why not a sex test too? Athletes are subject to 'out of competition' random drug testing in an effort to maintain fairness, but the IOC are resolute in their opposition to sex testing. Why they have zero interest in maintaining women's sport for females only is anyone's guess.

In my opinion buccal swabs should be taken as soon as accredited competition starts, not wait until the athletes are 18.
Too many areas in sport are allowing self ID that will result in some girls not wanting to continue when they are matched against boys who they just can't beat. Elite athletes don't just appear at 18 they've been working their socks off for years and years.

Aveline

No. I'm not willing for this issue to be 'put aside' for this Olympics or any other. It's not OK. Those two were found to be men on previous testing which they didn't contest but just sent ahead and had a go at entering the Olympics. How many real females must suffer and lose their chances before we stop just being sorry for these ones?

None of us actually know if these two boxers are or are not biologically female.

I agree every sportsperson, over 18, should have a buccal swab test when they start to compete. There should be an option to appeal or redo the test if there’s any issue.

It really is too late now in this Olympics.

I feel sorry for all the female boxers, including the two highlighted.

No. I'm not willing for this issue to be 'put aside' for this Olympics or any other. It's not OK. Those two were found to be men on previous testing which they didn't contest but just sent ahead and had a go at entering the Olympics. How many real females must suffer and lose their chances before we stop just being sorry for these ones?

Whitewavemark2

I can’t imagine the pressure the young woman is under. She totally burst into tears when she won her fight, and wrote her name on the canvas.

I think that this needs to be put aside for this olympics, all the division and hate to stop immediately and re-looked at during the period of calm and reflection.

Of course it may be found that she doesn’t pass the test, but the fact that she has been accepted this time is not her fault snd to treat her as people are doing is disgusting.

I absolutely agree.

I think he means that the test itself should be carried out as it is of no consequence as they are tested for various reasons anyway.

“Of no consequence” - do you mean in any sport??

'Of no consequence'! Really?

The whole issue is because some males decide to call themselves female, it’s nothing to do with “men” wanting to gain advantage over women. It’s up to individual sports to decide the allow trans individuals to compete with women, sports where physical strength and aggression is a factor its especially important.

Women have their own classes in most sports, equestrian is usually “open” to all competitors. Athletes get tested frequently to ensure they are not cheating by using drugs any extra tests to determine sex eligibility is of no consequence.

Aveline

One thing's for sure, after this furore, the national governing bodies of all sports will be tightening up their criteria for female athletes. Straightforward testing. Just do it.

You'd think so wouldn't you, but not if IOC have their way.
IOC spokesman Mark Adams told reporters. "I hope we all agree that we're not calling for people to go back to the days of sex testing which was a terrible, terrible thing to do. This involves real people and we're talking about real people's lives here." Yes there was a time when the sex testing was abusive and abhorrent. Some women were subjected to parading naked in front of a panel of (usually) men, subjected to invasive intimate examination and more. Then came buccal swabs, a cotton bud wiped on the inside of your cheek, and bish bash bosh, all done. Send off to the lab, results confirm male or female. Every single athlete gets tested once in their life, the result is on record, no need ever to test for sex again. For some reason known only to them the IOC don't want this. Far better to go by the sex marker on a passport (which they know can be changed from the birth sex marker).

One thing's for sure, after this furore, the national governing bodies of all sports will be tightening up their criteria for female athletes. Straightforward testing. Just do it.

A propos Rosie51’s post, I am fed up to the back teeth with men explaining to us what a woman is. This is all about men. Men protecting themselves and take, take, taking from women.

My previous post was to Syracute

Whitewave you say
I think that this needs to be put aside for this olympics, all the division and hate to stop immediately and re-looked at during the period of calm and reflection.

Of course it may be found that she doesn’t pass the test, but the fact that she has been accepted this time is not her fault snd to treat her as people are doing is disgusting.

And what of the competitors who have been eliminated? Do they not count for anything? They may have missed their only chance to compete at this level. Do a sex screening test now which will either confirm the rumours or shut down the whole mess.

Mark Adams confirmed at today's briefing that yes the IOC received the letter from IBA in June'23. The IOC decide IBA were to be discredited that same month. The tests were carried out at the New Delhi lab which is an accredited lab. He didn't comment on or deny the results but just said that basically they didn't like the reason and timing of why the tests were done. Then went on to his "we managed to get rid of sex testing...."
Perhaps, regardless of the rights or wrongs in this case, you just don't care about fairness to female athletes.

I can’t imagine the pressure the young woman is under. She totally burst into tears when she won her fight, and wrote her name on the canvas.

I think that this needs to be put aside for this olympics, all the division and hate to stop immediately and re-looked at during the period of calm and reflection.

Of course it may be found that she doesn’t pass the test, but the fact that she has been accepted this time is not her fault snd to treat her as people are doing is disgusting.

Rosie51

Syracute

GrannyGravy13

I trust Sharon Davies.

This is a false statement based on the discredited IBA.

I have read many articles on this and many newspapers and no one is supporting this FALSE statement .

So you're calling Sharon Davies a liar? Any idea why neither boxer appealed the decision since they'd know that a sex screening test would confirm their biological sex?
Even now the two boxers could agree to sex screening to put this to bed once and for all. It's a simple cheek swab, nothing onerous, takes no time, as Sharon Davies has said when she (along with all other athletes) was subjected to it years ago. Once in a lifetime and the result is recorded forever. You have to wonder why this simple, accurate process was stopped despite the vast majority of women being in favour of keeping it.

I don’t know where Sharon Davies found her info but yes it is false and a lie. People on this thread keep spinning these lies and it very unfortunate because there is no truth behind them .

Yes your right Rosie it was Fatima not Tessa old age taking over the brain so she was tested and proved her point so what is the reason for them not continuing to do that surely this person would welcome being cleared and all the nastiness go away Couldnt she go to her own doctor/ hospital and have the test and show the paperwork to the world and prove her true gender identity and we could all stop going round in circles then even if the Olympic comittee don’t do the test they could clear their own name