Police Station in Sunderland set on fire tonight

Nicenanny3

Doodledog

Some of it will be opportunism and the heatwave, I agree, but I think mostly it's boiled-over frustration at 14 years of neglect. Working people having to use foodbanks. Having to pull their own teeth. Zero-hours contracts tying people to benefits and the control of their lives that that brings, etc. It reminds me of the 70 and 80s. The NF exploited hopelessness then, and the EDL are doing it now.

You are avoiding the elephant in the room, it's all about mass immigration legal and illegal changing the face of our towns and cities and not aways for the better. The perception of 2 tier policing one rule for them another rule for the others. Yes all the above doesn't help I agree and no I do not condone the violence. You might not like to admit this but this is what it is about, it's been bubbling for a while now it has reached boiling point. Labelling all concerned citizens far right thugs (yes I admit some are) who are worried about this doesn't help the situation.

My city, surrounding towns and villages are the same.

* You are factually wrong*when you claimed that Starmer said that concerned people are all right wing thugs.

Twisting facts to suit your populist narrative will get called out every time.

If you are unclear what Starmer actually said I can post it for you.

NiceNanny I won’t ignore the elephant in the room.

I’ll call it out for what it is … racism and xenophobia!

Doodledog

Some of it will be opportunism and the heatwave, I agree, but I think mostly it's boiled-over frustration at 14 years of neglect. Working people having to use foodbanks. Having to pull their own teeth. Zero-hours contracts tying people to benefits and the control of their lives that that brings, etc. It reminds me of the 70 and 80s. The NF exploited hopelessness then, and the EDL are doing it now.

You are avoiding the elephant in the room, it's all about mass immigration legal and illegal changing the face of our towns and cities and not aways for the better. The perception of 2 tier policing one rule for them another rule for the others. Yes all the above doesn't help I agree and no I do not condone the violence. You might not like to admit this but this is what it is about, it's been bubbling for a while now it has reached boiling point. Labelling all concerned citizens far right thugs (yes I admit some are) who are worried about this doesn't help the situation.

LizzieDrip

I agree to a certain extent Doodledog, so why haven’t they aired these grievances before now? They’ve had 14 years of Tory government to be angry at, yet they riot 4 weeks into a Labour government

I think that they haven't aired their grievances so explicitly before because they haven't had a high profile figure telling them what their grievances are before.

I agree that things have simmered for years, riots aren't a new phenomenon, but racism and xenophobia have been so much in the forefront of late, plus social media making the spread of information so much easier, that it's being exploited.
It's not just the usual suspects such as Yaxley Lemon and Farage who are encouraging, explicitly stating, it. Someone has posted a piece by Kemi Badenoch on one of this morning's threads which, when I read it, seemed to be blaming the riots on the same sort of racist anti immigrant theme...

It's actually my belief that a great many of the participants are only there because it's a bit of an exciting lark.

Sorry, Doodledog, I’ve read your earlier post more thoroughly now. People feeling disenfranchised being exploited by EDL et al who, of course, will aim their venom at Labour.

I agree to a certain extent Doodledog, so why haven’t they aired these grievances before now? They’ve had 14 years of Tory government to be angry at, yet they riot 4 weeks into a Labour government

LizzieDrip

^If sentenced, perhaps we can put the knuckle draggers in Bibby Stockholm and save Labour from planning to close it^

Hear, hear Sarnia👏👏👏

Yes, and fly the ringleaders to Rwanda, where they can't corrupt UK culture any further.

Some of it will be opportunism and the heatwave, I agree, but I think mostly it's boiled-over frustration at 14 years of neglect. Working people having to use foodbanks. Having to pull their own teeth. Zero-hours contracts tying people to benefits and the control of their lives that that brings, etc. It reminds me of the 70 and 80s. The NF exploited hopelessness then, and the EDL are doing it now.

Summer riots are not unusual in the UK. I remember the Toxteth riots back in the 1980s.

However this is not just an excuse to loot a few shops, throw bricks at the police and burn some cars. There is a bubbling undercurrent of anger and latent violence in this country from a section of the population who feel that they are not being listened to. None of the established political parties represent their views. Just because someone didnt vote for multiculturalism and opposes immigration does not make them "thick as mince" a "thug" or a "knuckle dragger". These expressions are just lazyspeak.

MaizieD

It turns out that it wasn't the police station that was set fire ti in Sunderland. Somewhat ironically it was the Citizens' Advice Bureau next door.

How does this fit with the picture of the 'rioters' that people are trying to give us?

It doesn’t. It’s mindless violence.
Reminds me of Toxteth back in the day. Gangs of youths enjoying a wrecking spree with their mates on a warm, dry summer evening.

If sentenced, perhaps we can put the knuckle draggers in Bibby Stockholm and save Labour from planning to close it

Hear, hear Sarnia👏👏👏

This is just summer heatwave nonsense; isn't it the industrial fortnight holiday? These people have nothing better to do. They won't be doing this when the rain and the wind sets in again.

If sentenced, perhaps we can put the knuckle draggers in Bibby Stockholm and save Labour from planning to close it.

The picture I get is that they are not the brightest.

It turns out that it wasn't the police station that was set fire ti in Sunderland. Somewhat ironically it was the Citizens' Advice Bureau next door.

How does this fit with the picture of the 'rioters' that people are trying to give us?

In Maisie's newspaper report

Easily checked before posting falsehoods."We are aware of speculation circulating about the case involving four men arrested at Manchester Airport on 23/07/2024," read a statement issued this evening by GMP.

This is a current live investigation and all four men remain on police bail. Enquiries are very much ongoing in relation to all aspects of this incident

Easily checked before posting falsehoods

There have been more than a 100 arrests made overall during and since the Southport riots including assaults on emergency workers.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ng1254ndeo

Some are out on bail, others detained.

I have already told freya5 what had happened.

She has chosen to ignore it and continue with false information.

She needs to read the thread on twitter.

Freya5

vegansrock

Maybe those who are plotting and coordinating these riots will get the same sentences as those who planned to close a motorway for 24 hours? I doubt it somehow.

Shouldn't think they'll walk free. Unlike the men who assaulted the police officers in Manchester. They won the "got out of jail card".

This is ridiculous. Who says that the men who assaulted the police officers in Manchester have 'walked free'?

Are you deliberately passing on false information or do you really not know what 'released on bail' means?

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/police-update-arrests-after-manchester-29668881

Yes it is worth a read.

Casdon

Urmstongran

That’ll be me.

You can see it - I don’t have X either, but if you click on *MaizieD’s link you can still see that individual post, it works as a link. You don’t have to sign up for anything.

Sorry if I gave misinformation. I thought twitter had stared insisting that you had to join before you could read posts. Perhaps it did for Awhile then abandoned the idea. Elon Musk did some odd things to it when he bought it.

Anyway, I thought the series of tweets was worth looking at as an example of how misinformation is spread. Based on the flimsiest of foundations.

vegansrock

Maybe those who are plotting and coordinating these riots will get the same sentences as those who planned to close a motorway for 24 hours? I doubt it somehow.

Shouldn't think they'll walk free. Unlike the men who assaulted the police officers in Manchester. They won the "got out of jail card".

I’m on Twitter and some of the right wing posts from UK and the USA are appalling and indeed very frightening. The misinformation is ridiculous. If trump loses in November, his supporters are already planning uprisings and accusations of the vote being ‘stollen’. In the UK I am afraid Farage will be in huge trouble if he continues to post lies. To quote Malcolm Tucker, the situation is febrile.

“Further demonstrations were expected last night, and over the weekend, in dozens of cities and towns, including London, Aldershot, Sunderland, Hull, Liverpool, Cardiff and Manchester.

Flyers are also being circulated online for rallies in Nottingham, Leeds, Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Belfast, Bristol and Hull.

The Prime Minister has claimed that the protests have been coordinated by the far-Right. But speaking to The Telegraph, Mrs Badenoch said too many people were not being honest about the failures of integration.

“You look at all the tension that we’ve been seeing in the country over the last few days in Southport and Hartlepool, everybody’s quiet,” she said.

“They don’t want to upset the cultural establishment that wants to pretend that nothing is going on. You can’t just pretend that there are no tensions.

“And we’ve been seeing this not just between ethnic minorities and white British people, but it’s even between ethnic minorities. This is not normal.”

Maybe those who are plotting and coordinating these riots will get the same sentences as those who planned to close a motorway for 24 hours? I doubt it somehow.

Urmstongran

That’ll be me.

You can see it - I don’t have X either, but if you click on *MaizieD’s link you can still see that individual post, it works as a link. You don’t have to sign up for anything.