Starmer’s Speech 01/08/24

ronib

There’s a lot of history being rewritten on this site today.

In relation to what?

2 Labour governments, two negative impacts on pensioners.
Don’t jump on me and say the Tories were bad. I know. That’s why Labour won.
Labour were bad last time, which is why they lost. That’s politics.
I know Labour have only been in power for 4 weeks, but as a pensioner, I feel worried about my future.

Fair enough, Mollygo. But at times since the GE I've thought history is being rewritten before it has even happened 😆

Whitewavemark2

THERE IS NO UNCONTROLLED MASS IMMIGRATION.

To make such an assertion you must provide the evidence.

Statements like that are feeding into the VIOLENCE we are seeing in this country at present.

Perhaps you should provide the evidence that there is no mass, uncontrolled immigration. A million and a half new people in the last two years tends to suggest you’re wrong, but I’m open to reading your evidence.
Your statement shows a rather blinkered view, no doubt emanating from your view of a Labour government. No understanding shown that some people, some of our Gransnetters, are concerned about the route of travel from this new government.

maddyone

Whitewavemark2

THERE IS NO UNCONTROLLED MASS IMMIGRATION.

To make such an assertion you must provide the evidence.

Statements like that are feeding into the VIOLENCE we are seeing in this country at present.

Perhaps you should provide the evidence that there is no mass, uncontrolled immigration. A million and a half new people in the last two years tends to suggest you’re wrong, but I’m open to reading your evidence.
Your statement shows a rather blinkered view, no doubt emanating from your view of a Labour government. No understanding shown that some people, some of our Gransnetters, are concerned about the route of travel from this new government.

But maddyone, most of that is controlled immigration. People are here perfectly legitimately, just as your daughter is in New Zealand. They have visas, have jobs or are studying and pay the NHS a hefty surcharge for treatment most of them won't need.

Maybe you'd like to list which of those immigrants shouldn't be given visas.

Point taken growstuff. Obviously I’m fully aware that most of our immigrants are here perfectly legally, but I’m unsure that was what was actually meant by the poster who was corrected. I’m about to get ready to go to out and haven’t time to check back to see the exact post. The word uncontrolled is the key obviously, remove it and you get the meaning that was originally meant, I think. I think the poster meant that mass immigration is causing certain problems, not least insufficient houses (but the housing issue is one I understand it to mean.)
Anyway, gotta go, will look back in later tonight.

I don’t think demands for evidence is very much in the nature of the site, which is discussion and problem solving for grannies. No need for anyone to be so aggressive but unfortunately some are, not in any way accusing you, just a general observation.
Anyway, really do have to go.

Doodledog

They’ve had less than a month in power!

yes and going from bad to worse with every day

In what way?

It seems that people who burn libraries, hotels, and cars, tear up walls and attack police officers don't warm to the new government, karmalady.
Hmm, now let me think - does that make the new government " bad" , or does it make their opponents "bad" ?

watch how many time he looks down to read off a script. Not a natural communicator at all. Doubt he will last long as pm

The trouble is they have put everyone in the same boat. Either laziness or they just don’t want to listen. Not all those marching are thugs but that is just too hard for them to accept. So it will go on.

Decent people wouldn't want to be any way associated with the rioters.

maddyone

Whitewavemark2

THERE IS NO UNCONTROLLED MASS IMMIGRATION.

To make such an assertion you must provide the evidence.

Statements like that are feeding into the VIOLENCE we are seeing in this country at present.

Perhaps you should provide the evidence that there is no mass, uncontrolled immigration. A million and a half new people in the last two years tends to suggest you’re wrong, but I’m open to reading your evidence.
Your statement shows a rather blinkered view, no doubt emanating from your view of a Labour government. No understanding shown that some people, some of our Gransnetters, are concerned about the route of travel from this new government.

But you see it isn’t uncontrolled.

That is normal movement of people employed by businesses in the U.K. -

It is not uncontrolled.

Immigration is vital for the economic health of any country, and what is so remarkable is the real disconnect between the political discourse and economic reality.

Anti- immigrant rhetoric has become a tool by the populist right

What is not controlled and can never be controlled are the level of asylum seekers, however what a government can do is to ensure that the applicants are dealt with competently and without fuss.

nanna8

The trouble is they have put everyone in the same boat. Either laziness or they just don’t want to listen. Not all those marching are thugs but that is just too hard for them to accept. So it will go on.

Anyone marching with them is complicit. Imo.

The police say that they are - no question.

I think the various Conservative governments lost control of immigration long ago and it isn’t getting any better.
Government no longer knows exactly who’s in the UK. Add to that the hundreds of people landing here daily and you have a recipe for trouble.It’s a knotty problem to solve but the new Labour government just have to get to grips with it.

It is perfectly true that only 20 percent of voters voted in Labour btw

ronib this is a lie.

Labour received 33.7% of the vote in the last GE. Full Fact

Whitewavemark2

The police say that they are - no question.

Well they would, wouldn’t they? They don’t listen to the people, only the politicians. So it will go on unless they do. The thugs must just love it because it gives them some sort of reason for their horrible actions. Just good luck because it will be needed unless they listen to the disaffected people of the UK. So easy to tar all with the same brush .

LizzieDrip

^It is perfectly true that only 20 percent of voters voted in Labour btw^

ronib this is a lie.

Labour received 33.7% of the vote in the last GE. ^Full Fact^

LizzieDrip 60 percent voter turnout.
The silent 40 percent? 33.7 of the vote I think boils down to about 20 percent of all eligible voters.

However you like to spin it Labour got the biggest majority since forever, and the Tories the smallest amount of seats since forever.

Must tell you something.

Yes it told us that they wanted a change of government, just as they did when Labour did last time.

I think you need to start asking why 40 percent of all eligible voters stayed at home.

I didn't vote Labour but we have a Labour government and need to move on and hope they will deal with
the problems we are facing.
Pointless nitpicking over percentages.

AGAA4

I didn't vote Labour but we have a Labour government and need to move on and hope they will deal with
the problems we are facing.
Pointless nitpicking over percentages.

Precisely.