Starmer’s Speech 01/08/24

Do tell us all about the 'silent 40%' ronib.

Are they somehow connected to the 'silent majority' that our more racist Gnet posters tell us completely agree with them but are too scared to speak out?

We have a Labor government here and they are hopeless. The government they replaced were even more hopeless. Wouldn’t it be good if we got a few good politicians who were honest, not taking backhanders from unions ( I don’t know if yours do but ours certainly do) with clear heads wishing to help their country instead of destroying it ?

That's what people are hoping for with Starmer.

ronib we live in a democracy.

The ‘silent 40%’ as you refer to them, chose not to exercise their democratic right - up to them. No-one knows their reasons. They chose not to have their voices heard, not to have their number counted … so they cannot be counted within a discussion about voter percentage. I’m afraid, through their own decision, they have made themselves invisible in this discussion, now and until the next GE. I wish they hadn’t; I wish they had voted.

However, it remains a fact; the truth, that Labour achieved 33.7% of the vote in the 2024 GE.

Well some fair comments I guess. I don’t have the ability to conduct a survey of the protesters on the streets but my hypothesis is that 40 percent of the population feels disenfranchised. Are the disenfranchised more likely to riot?
So that’s a majority over the number of Labour voters.
The Uk seems set for a rocky few years sadly.

ronib

Well some fair comments I guess. I don’t have the ability to conduct a survey of the protesters on the streets but my hypothesis is that 40 percent of the population feels disenfranchised. Are the disenfranchised more likely to riot?
So that’s a majority over the number of Labour voters.
The Uk seems set for a rocky few years sadly.

I simply cannot accept your assertion that 40% of our population are disenfranchised.

Where is your evidence? Or is this just your opinion and view? (Which is fine, opinions are not facts)

I don’t really know anyone, among my friends and wider family who feel disenfranchised I know people who are very worried about the continued rise of the far right, I know people that are fed up with their own situations, I know people who are finding life tough.

Absolutely no one I know personally would EVER be part of violence, destruction of property, hate crime, mindless thuggery, however “disenfranchised” they may or may not feel.

In many, many situations the only person that can change things for oneself is actually oneself!

Life is flawed, it’s unfair, I taught my children from a very early age that you reap what you sow. It’s not a level playing field, we don’t all get the same luck or life chances, but most of us do have the opportunity and ability to change our situations for the better. I’m not talking about disabled or ill people.

karmalady

watch how many time he looks down to read off a script. Not a natural communicator at all. Doubt he will last long as pm

Sorry, this sounds rude, but a ridiculous statement.

Erm, um, err... um, um, erm.. he erm, arr, err, should have taken a err, um... leaf put of Boris' book.

If that’s your opinion ronib, fine - you’re entitled to it.

But, I’m sure you’ll accept that you simply cannot know why 40% of the electorate chose not to vote and, therefore, cannot use their ‘lack of voting’ as a legitimate argument for or against anything.

LizzieDrip not quite sure about your approach but I have to go and help a very elderly lady in her battles…. Maybe I can think about this a bit more. Durkhheim and anomie used to be a starting point if anyone is interested….

Durkheim

Blimey that is a blast from A level past.

Well done for remembering.

ronib

There’s a lot of history being rewritten on this site today.

If your post above is in reference to Gordon Brown Re 2008 I point out to you what The Harvard School of Business thought of him.

hbr.org/2008/10/crisis-leadership-and-gordon-b

I wonder what Durkheim would have made of social media???

Light hearted diversion...

Putting in your search engine

"Durkheim social media"

the pundits have come up with opposite views

"Emile Durkheim would stand to say that we need social media, despite negative effects. He would state that, although as an American culture centered around social media can cause us to be way too focus on our “internet lives”, mass media plays a very important duty to the American people."

and on the other...

"Durkheim recognized that things like increased communication, transportation, and interaction with others resulted in the social change from a mechanical solidarity to organic. If societies evolve too quickly from traditional to modern, a breakdown of norms and collective consciousness occurs

(as you were)

MissAdventure

Erm, um, err... um, um, erm.. he erm, arr, err, should have taken a err, um... leaf put of Boris' book.

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The only thing I remember is Durkheim’s study of the aborigine community.

QI.

Durkheim’s study of suicide was very influential at the time. I shall try to find my copy.
Just back from the worst visit to an 89 year old…. Whose money is evaporating faster than it’s coming in so please show some compassion to the needy elderly.

ronib

Durkheim’s study of suicide was very influential at the time. I shall try to find my copy.
Just back from the worst visit to an 89 year old…. Whose money is evaporating faster than it’s coming in so please show some compassion to the needy elderly.

☹️☹️ Awful situation for any elderly person to find themselves in, I think sometimes people forget elderly people have no way of supplementing or increasing their income and many have cut back as much as feasibly possible,

Ronib- no one is disenfranchised. Everyone has a vote.
If the people rioting and looting wished to do so, they could have voted Reform, which is the party with a clear policy on immigration ( albeit not - er - quite -worked - how- to- do-it).
If your data is correct, the "disenfranchised "
would have swept the Reform Party to
victory.
Instead, some seem to think that the answer lies in civil disorder, endangering lives and destroying property.
I would suggest,respectfully, that there are more accurate ways of describing this group.

Of course there is no proof one way or the other about the political leanings of the rioters, if indeed they bothered to vote.

They could be Reform.

They could be Conservative, unhappy that their party didn’t solve the problem, but hoping Labour would have a better strategy since they dismissed anything C’s came up with and disappointed that they haven’t. (Yes I know they’ve only been in 4 weeks)

They could be Labour, disgruntled that the party they voted in hasn’t come with a viable plan. (Yes I know they’ve only been in four weeks.)

It would be too much to expect that they’ll be ashamed of themselves.
They perceive themselves as solving a problem the government(s) won’t tackle.
Difficult to argue with a mindset like that.

Nice one Wyllow - plenty of food for thought there!

ronib I’m sure all of us on GN (whatever stripe) show compassion for the needy elderly. I hope your elderly friend will be ok.

LizzieDrip

ronib I’m sure all of us on GN (whatever stripe) show compassion for the needy elderly. I hope your elderly friend will be ok.

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