Starmer and his holiday.

Iam64

Tone down the rhetoric - as our streets burn?

Iam64 yes.

Addressing the point about telling the public I really agree it would be good if Starmer announced measures that would effectively calm the disaffection that has built up over years an years.

But there aren't the means - enough to say, we'll sort this issue - that issue - quickly. Yes announce what is possible that might ameliorate underlying disaffection but in the short term but it's unlikely to have an effect.

On migration yes a need to re-announce the plans clearly, but the problem is they cant make empty promises for example "we'll turn back the boats" which has no substance but oh so appealing. We have always known it can't be tackled quickly.

Tone down the rhetoric - as our streets burn?

Casdon yes. Social cohesion is not easily manufactured though. It’s been missing from the Uk for quite some time? We feel more fractured than ever.

MayBee70 no I don’t think his long speech counts as three word sound bites but the message isn’t getting through is it?
I have thought that politicians displaying anger and fury when talking to the public is a very ineffective and harmful form of communication. Maybe Labour needs to tone down on the rhetoric?

MayBee70

ronib

Cossy no one would think that any government in the first month would solve all the issues facing this country. But it has to be noted that in overturning the previous government’s approach to curb the Channel crossings that the new government needs to insert its own infrastructure and plans. There seems a bit of a void or gap in presenting information on this- it’s all a bit vague so far. This is in sharp contrast to its stated policy towards OAPs for example.
Basically I don’t think that Starmer is hitting the right spot with disaffected sections living in the Uk.

You mean he isn’t using three word sound bites effectively?

I think we have to be quite honest here - no PM of any party is ever going to hit the right spot with disaffected sections living in the UK, because they are fundamentally anti-establishment.

At the moment people are unhappy about ‘boat migrants’ and that’s what they are protesting about, they no doubt believe that is the reason for their anger themselves. However, if this government, or any government, completely halted that, there would be another cause of dissatisfaction instead, and riots would bubble up again under that pretext. Education, employment and initiatives to increase social cohesion are the only tools we have.

ronib

Cossy no one would think that any government in the first month would solve all the issues facing this country. But it has to be noted that in overturning the previous government’s approach to curb the Channel crossings that the new government needs to insert its own infrastructure and plans. There seems a bit of a void or gap in presenting information on this- it’s all a bit vague so far. This is in sharp contrast to its stated policy towards OAPs for example.
Basically I don’t think that Starmer is hitting the right spot with disaffected sections living in the Uk.

You mean he isn’t using three word sound bites effectively?

Ditto on the question of immigration both legal and illegal.

Iam64

Maybe Starmer isn’t hitting the right spot with disaffected sections on the UK but he can’t be held responsible for the root of dissatisfaction created by the previous 14 years

I agree but he will have to do what he can to dispel the dissatisfaction in the coming years.He can’t do much overnight but needs to try and understand some depressed areas of England and try and address it.

Maybe Starmer isn’t hitting the right spot with disaffected sections on the UK but he can’t be held responsible for the root of dissatisfaction created by the previous 14 years

LizzieDrip

Nanna8 if you think the current UK government is ‘far left’ you clearly don’t understand our politics!

I think that, like Canadians and US Americans, Australians tend to be further to the 'right' than we are in the UK. So anything that looks centrist to us tends to be regarded by them as being 'left wing'.

Which does make communication difficult at times...

Cossy no one would think that any government in the first month would solve all the issues facing this country. But it has to be noted that in overturning the previous government’s approach to curb the Channel crossings that the new government needs to insert its own infrastructure and plans. There seems a bit of a void or gap in presenting information on this- it’s all a bit vague so far. This is in sharp contrast to its stated policy towards OAPs for example.
Basically I don’t think that Starmer is hitting the right spot with disaffected sections living in the Uk.

Lizzie, its patronising assuming people are ignorant if they do not agree with your views,

nanna8

You will get abuse hurled at you for speaking the truth. You may well be accused of racism and God knows what because the far left are in control and in their way as just as bad as the far right.

Keir Starmer and his cabinet (except perhaps Rayner) are so far from far left!

Honestly, where were all the Tory supporters in the last 14 years? Labour didn’t cause this issue, the traffickers did.

Do you truly believe in the first month of govt Starmer should have resolved all issues?

Nanna8 if you think the current UK government is ‘far left’ you clearly don’t understand our politics!

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You will get abuse hurled at you for speaking the truth. You may well be accused of racism and God knows what because the far left are in control and in their way as just as bad as the far right.

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The buck stops there, that’s their job which they’re very well paid for and they wanted those jobs badly.
I only have sympathy for the Police who have to do all the ground work.

Oreo - I’d add politicians to the list of exhausted people. They’ve had a gruelling election campaign, the Conservatives have a leadership crisis (again) and recess was due.

Who’s everyone Whitewavemark2 apart from the police on the front line.

Cobra has will gather ministers, civil servants, the police and intelligence officers. Cleverley says (I player) a Cobra meeting should have been held last week but I think it's timely as there is a clearer picture now.

Pantglas2

So give us the ‘details’ …why they wouldn’t work in 🇬🇧 but some European countries evidently did?

I was wondering about that myself.
They will work if we want them to.

Cobra meeting this morning.

Not that I expect much to come out of it, but it ensures that everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet.

Everyone must be utterly exhausted.

In the event of a PM being unable to fulfil his role he nominates the most appropriate cabinet member to deal with the crisis in hand. In this event that would be Yvette Cooper. The role of Deputy Prime Minister does not mean that person is the second in command.

I am extremely relieved to hear that, and I am not joking.