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False information and incitement on SM and prosecuting the perpetrators

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 03:21:40

Since January, an amendment to the Online Safety Act 2023 allows for the prosecution of those who convey information that they know to be false and “if the person intended the message, or the information in it, to cause non-trivial psychological or physical harm to a likely audience”.
Ashley Fairbrother, a senior prosecutor at the law firm Edmonds Marshall McMahon, said: “This now makes the circulation of damaging and false information online into an offence in its own right.”

A former director of public prosecutions, Lord Ken Macdonald KC, spelled out on Monday how he believed investigators would want to quickly identify individuals who are involved in “online organisation, online incitement and online conspiracies”.
“I think prosecutors will want to have a strategy to identify people who may have been involved in inciting and encouraging these events, and they will want to arrest them and build cases against them. These are, in one sense, the most important people,”

Wyllow3 Tue 06-Aug-24 20:38:28

What a wonderful song, thank you.

Doodledog Tue 06-Aug-24 20:35:41

All most of us can do now is to know that we have taught the next generation to do the right thing.

Doodledog Tue 06-Aug-24 20:31:19

www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Ezpx5u1R0

Wyllow3 Tue 06-Aug-24 20:29:09

To the no human being is illegal!

Wyllow3 Tue 06-Aug-24 20:28:35

Seconded.

fancythat Tue 06-Aug-24 20:28:31

Rowantree

Just adding my farthingsworth: no human is 'illegal'.
If there were efficient safe and legal ways of applying for asylum and good solid infrastructure to ensure each application is processed swiftly, there would be far less reliance on 'small boats'. That's where the focus needs to be now, with all speed. That way those whose need is great can be accepted and anyone whose need is considered to be minimal can be refused. No internment in hideously cruel camps for months and even years.
These are fellow human beings who want to live safely, work and contribute.

20 more million?

Cossy Tue 06-Aug-24 19:56:01

Rowantree

Just adding my farthingsworth: no human is 'illegal'.
If there were efficient safe and legal ways of applying for asylum and good solid infrastructure to ensure each application is processed swiftly, there would be far less reliance on 'small boats'. That's where the focus needs to be now, with all speed. That way those whose need is great can be accepted and anyone whose need is considered to be minimal can be refused. No internment in hideously cruel camps for months and even years.
These are fellow human beings who want to live safely, work and contribute.

Well said

Cossy Tue 06-Aug-24 19:49:56

Granmarderby10

I do not know what the definition of terrorism is in its “traditional” context but the “unrest”? …aka rioting/looting/committing arson/ attacking police and smashing into buildings and peoples back gardens, I would imagine is damn terrifying to experience or witness.

And so yes it should be considered a terrorist offence.

I agree

Daddima Tue 06-Aug-24 18:55:31

Dickens

InnocentBystander

Apologies if this has been suggested already. If everyone was obliged to reveal their name, address, and contact number, supported by documentary proof, before a social media account was granted, and compelled to use their real name (only, not the other private details) on the site instead of a forum name, then much of the dangerous stuff would stop.

For a small fee, anyone can look up your name on the info-findr.net website;

Search for a person and get a confidential report. You will know about everything, extracted from public records.

... thus -

130 Million Property Records
6 Billion Consumer Records
3.9 Billion Historical Records
600 Million Court Records
89 Million Business Records
120+ Social Networks

Oh, the website does insist that Data you get from our website must be used in a lawful manner.

So that's OK then. I'm sure no-one with malicious intent would ever use the facility to look up a person's name, find all kinds of information about them and use it against them either on social media or, more personally, to threaten or intimidate them, would they?

PLEASE DO NOT USE THIS WEBSITE!

Sorry to shout, but I thought this sounded dodgy, and a look at Trust Pilot tells me that once you have paid the ‘small fee’, your details will be used to pay a £39 per month subscription, which will have been mentioned in the small print.

valdavi Tue 06-Aug-24 18:53:53

Kandinsky

1000’s of illegals arriving by small boats every year ( & have been for decades ) & absolutely nothing - repeat nothing - being done about it is a fact.
Social media is not making that up!

That’s what these riots are about.

One thing that would work is to give the countries of origin loads of aid to help them improve theire economies.(the economic migrants not those persecuted) I'm not advocating this,(we don't have the £££) but is that an action that you would approve Kandinsky? Otherwise it is an intractable problem worsened by Brexit & delays in processing claims.Those who are so frustrated have just had their chance to vote for Reform; Reform didn't win. As with the 2016 result, not winning can hurt - that's no excuse to riot.

petra Tue 06-Aug-24 18:52:20

Rowantree
No migrant “illegal” or otherwise has been interned in this country. They are free to come and go as they wish.
The only people who have been interned are those who have been denied leave to stay so are transferred to detention centres, and I agree they are bad.

Granmarderby10 Tue 06-Aug-24 18:52:03

Whitewavemark2 I had a conversation with someone who works in social housing yesterday who asked if there had been any *trouble” in Derby -there’s hasn’t been fortunately , and this persons response to my rhetorical question implied that if I had seen the things that they had etc etc - in the course of their work then I would think differently.

My question was “ how does setting fire to someone’s car (for example) improve the lives of anyone in this country”

They did not express any condemnation of the rioters, I noticed.

Allsorts Tue 06-Aug-24 18:32:05

7 pages discussing law breakers, they are being deal with.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 18:18:04

He said not me!

Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 18:17:46

Richard Osman’s new kitten from Brighton RSPCA.

To cheer people up😊😊

Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 18:11:22

A tiny % think that there are people have legitimate concerns almost the entire country thinks that they are rioter or thugs

LizzieDrip Tue 06-Aug-24 18:01:40

Am surprised they could bear the smell in Lush😲

At least they’ll be easily identified; the police will be able to smell ‘em a mile away!

Rowantree Tue 06-Aug-24 17:56:33

Just adding my farthingsworth: no human is 'illegal'.
If there were efficient safe and legal ways of applying for asylum and good solid infrastructure to ensure each application is processed swiftly, there would be far less reliance on 'small boats'. That's where the focus needs to be now, with all speed. That way those whose need is great can be accepted and anyone whose need is considered to be minimal can be refused. No internment in hideously cruel camps for months and even years.
These are fellow human beings who want to live safely, work and contribute.

Granmarderby10 Tue 06-Aug-24 17:54:55

I do not know what the definition of terrorism is in its “traditional” context but the “unrest”? …aka rioting/looting/committing arson/ attacking police and smashing into buildings and peoples back gardens, I would imagine is damn terrifying to experience or witness.

And so yes it should be considered a terrorist offence.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 17:40:55

Oh I think the greens are far too polite.

You don’t mess with Pride😄😄

Casdon Tue 06-Aug-24 17:39:12

Whitewavemark2

I would like to see the entire Pride people in all their finery greet the thugs.

I thought maybe it would be the Greens - maybe they will be throwing greens back at them, pity it’s not Brussels sprout season.

Casdon Tue 06-Aug-24 17:36:27

There must be thousands at home waiting for a knock on the door too. Social media has its downsides without a doubt, but with so many onlookers taking videos with sound, perpetrators won’t get away with denying their involvement.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 17:35:32

I would like to see the entire Pride people in all their finery greet the thugs.

Oreo Tue 06-Aug-24 17:29:17

Casdon

I’m impressed with speed at which the courts are dealing with rioters. So many hundreds of people have wrecked their own lives as well as other peoples. In the cold light of day, when they are sat in prison cells, I wonder if they will still think it was the right thing to do.

Most will be regretful, a few won’t care less.Some of the arrested already have a string of offences in their pasts.

Oreo Tue 06-Aug-24 17:27:36

Am surprised they could bear the smell in Lush😲I can’t even walk past their open door without sneezing.
It comes to something when people are looting a shoezone doesn’t it?