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False information and incitement on SM and prosecuting the perpetrators

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 03:21:40

Since January, an amendment to the Online Safety Act 2023 allows for the prosecution of those who convey information that they know to be false and “if the person intended the message, or the information in it, to cause non-trivial psychological or physical harm to a likely audience”.
Ashley Fairbrother, a senior prosecutor at the law firm Edmonds Marshall McMahon, said: “This now makes the circulation of damaging and false information online into an offence in its own right.”

A former director of public prosecutions, Lord Ken Macdonald KC, spelled out on Monday how he believed investigators would want to quickly identify individuals who are involved in “online organisation, online incitement and online conspiracies”.
“I think prosecutors will want to have a strategy to identify people who may have been involved in inciting and encouraging these events, and they will want to arrest them and build cases against them. These are, in one sense, the most important people,”

Dickens Sat 10-Aug-24 17:54:16

varian

Elon Musk's X/Twitter is suing a group of advertisers and major companies, accusing them of unlawfully agreeing to "boycott" the site.

It has filed a claim against the food giants Unilever and Mars, private healthcare company CVS Health, and renewable energy firm Orsted - along with a trade association called the World Federation of Advertisers (WFA) - in a Texas court.

X claims they have deprived it of "billions of dollars" in revenue.

Legal experts say the case is unlikely to succeed as any collusion or agreement between companies will be hard to prove.

The lawsuit relates to the period in 2022 just after Mr Musk bought X, then known as Twitter, when advertising revenue dived.

Some companies had been wary of advertising on the platform as concerns rose that its new owner was not serious enough about removing harmful online content.

In the year after Mr Musk bought what was formerly Twitter, advertising revenue slumped by more than half.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn47798gxx4o

Even if the case succeeds, the social media site cannot force companies to buy advertising space on the platform. (from the same BBC article).

Musk should perhaps have stuck to what he, undoubtedly, is good at - electrical engineering. And new space technology. Which garnered him millions of fans. Not to mention revenue.

He accused 'activists' of attempting to destroy free speech on Twitter/X.

Bloomberg reported that, the day after Musk took over the platform, use of the n-word increased by 1,300%.

Considering just how many black people, are involved in and with businesses and global giants such as General Motors, Audi, Mondelez, Pfizer, etc, etc... what did this genius think would happen when he allowed the Twits on Twitter to use the most insulting, insensitive and provocative language to describe them?

Wyllow3 Sat 10-Aug-24 13:25:07

Freya5

According to our law, passed last year, they are deemed illegal, they also break maritime Law, arriving without documents. The now deposed Bangladeshi PM has been told by the HO she cannot apply for asylum here, and should go to the nearest safe country.
No Provision For...": What UK Said On Sheikh Hasina Asylum Reports

That is not strictly true.

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-is-it-illegal-to-cross-the-channel-on-a-small-boat#

"Under existing British law, it’s illegal to enter the country without a visa or special permission. That means someone who reaches the UK on a small boat could face up to four years in prison.

But people who make the Channel crossing are protected by international law if they claim asylum once they arrive.

That means they can’t be punished while their application is being considered – and if they’re successful, they won’t be prosecuted for the way they arrived.

So, arriving by small boat is only illegal if you don’t claim asylum – or if you make an asylum claim and it’s rejected

It appears to be unrelated to "maritime law" but related to UK law, it applies equally to people who arrive in lorries.

Grandmabatty Sat 10-Aug-24 07:58:48

That law isn't fit for purpose.

Freya5 Sat 10-Aug-24 07:57:17

According to our law, passed last year, they are deemed illegal, they also break maritime Law, arriving without documents. The now deposed Bangladeshi PM has been told by the HO she cannot apply for asylum here, and should go to the nearest safe country.
No Provision For...": What UK Said On Sheikh Hasina Asylum Reports

maddyone Fri 09-Aug-24 18:01:13

Law is certainly a route into becoming an MP, or of course, working for the party of choice behind the scenes. My son worked for a year at The Law Commission which is another route, although he had studied Law at university, but it’s not necessary to do that to become a lawyer. There is a Law Conversion Course available, it’s only a year long.
Whatever he chooses, I think you’re wise to stay out of the debate. smile

Dickens Fri 09-Aug-24 15:47:58

... thanks!

He was 10 at the time of those FB comments.

It's interesting to hear that your son changed his mind about becoming an MP and decided on law as a career - my DIL, my grandson's mother, wants him to study law... I'm keeping well out of the debate! grin

maddyone Fri 09-Aug-24 13:48:00

Thank you for congratulations Dickens.
I think I misunderstood, you say your grandson is now grown, I was thinking he was still ten.
Well good luck to him. I hope he achieves his dream. 🤞

maddyone Fri 09-Aug-24 13:45:50

Well I sincerely hope your little grandson will be successful. Funnily enough, our son started out with saying he wanted to be an MP, but changed towards the law as he matured and realised that he needed to do something else first. I don’t think he’s interested any longer in becoming an MP, but lots of lawyers do become MPs, so it could possibly be a route for your grandson.

Dickens Fri 09-Aug-24 12:19:30

maddyone

Dickens (it’s a bit off the point but) my ten year old son was very interested in politics and maintained that interest throughout his life. He went into law, he’s a barrister and now KC. So you never know where your grandson’s interest will lead him. To a successful future I hope 🤞

Dickens (it’s a bit off the point but) my ten year old son was very interested in politics and maintained that interest throughout his life. He went into law, he’s a barrister and now KC.

WOW!! That is impressive!

He must have had real perseverance - I think you have to practice law for at least 10 years before recommendation. I'm full of admiration. smile.

My then 10-year old is now grown and still interested in and studying politics and wants to become an MP eventually. Early days!

Belated congratulations to your son!

maddyone Fri 09-Aug-24 12:05:01

Dickens (it’s a bit off the point but) my ten year old son was very interested in politics and maintained that interest throughout his life. He went into law, he’s a barrister and now KC. So you never know where your grandson’s interest will lead him. To a successful future I hope 🤞

Dickens Fri 09-Aug-24 11:27:09

MayBee70

MayBee70

Our local spotted facebook page is allowing someone to post political stuff which is anti government. Looking at her profile she's an EDL/ Katie Hopkins supporter. I've asked them to not allow political stuff to be posted on what is just meant to be a page about road closures and missing cats but the moderators are ignoring me so I can only assume they agree with her.

Posts have been removed. Lots of people supported me. Good result! Chuffed…(faith in people restored…)

A few years back (prior to the Bexit vote) there was a woman on FB in an open group who posted similarly to your poster.

What she wrote was, in fact, ludicrous - the assumptions, speculation, the claims, even my then 10 year old grandson thought it was "bonkers" (he's interested in politics).

I posted a comment with facts and figures (from official websites) and told her to stop spreading false information. But not rudely or aggressively, although I admit to a tinge of sarcasm.

My post was removed by FB and I was given a warning and a 24-hour suspension. Hers remained.

I no longer use Facebook. And I've de-activated my account on X now that Musk is the Emperor.

Chocolatelovinggran Fri 09-Aug-24 07:49:28

Is Elon Musk an immigrant himself? Surely he was born in South Africa?
Perhaps he could pop back to his country of origin and do some work/ meddling/ pot stirring there instead of attempting to affect the vote in his adopted country and make inflammatory speeches about GB, with which, I believe, he has no links.

varian Thu 08-Aug-24 19:34:09

Beware Americans. Elon Musk has set up a pro-Trump "political action commottee" (pac) which purports to help Americans register to vote but actually fools them into giving personal information, then leaves them thinking they are registered to vote when they are not.

fortune.com/2024/08/06/elon-musk-trump-america-pac-michigan-north-carolina-investigation/

Marydoll Thu 08-Aug-24 19:20:12

Maybee good news!

Grandmabatty Thu 08-Aug-24 19:09:33

56 year-old woman has been arrested for giving inaccurate inciting information on social media

MayBee70 Thu 08-Aug-24 19:05:26

MayBee70

Our local spotted facebook page is allowing someone to post political stuff which is anti government. Looking at her profile she's an EDL/ Katie Hopkins supporter. I've asked them to not allow political stuff to be posted on what is just meant to be a page about road closures and missing cats but the moderators are ignoring me so I can only assume they agree with her.

Posts have been removed. Lots of people supported me. Good result! Chuffed…(faith in people restored…)

varian Thu 08-Aug-24 18:58:04

BBC News - Musk shares faked far-right 'detainment camp' for rioters post
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp35w0kj2y4o

Wyllow3 Thu 08-Aug-24 18:56:51

Dangerous man. I hope more advertisers withdraw. No unelected person should hold the power he does.

varian Thu 08-Aug-24 18:46:22

Elon Musk's X/Twitter is suing a group of advertisers and major companies, accusing them of unlawfully agreeing to "boycott" the site.

It has filed a claim against the food giants Unilever and Mars, private healthcare company CVS Health, and renewable energy firm Orsted - along with a trade association called the World Federation of Advertisers (WFA) - in a Texas court.

X claims they have deprived it of "billions of dollars" in revenue.

Legal experts say the case is unlikely to succeed as any collusion or agreement between companies will be hard to prove.

The lawsuit relates to the period in 2022 just after Mr Musk bought X, then known as Twitter, when advertising revenue dived.

Some companies had been wary of advertising on the platform as concerns rose that its new owner was not serious enough about removing harmful online content.

In the year after Mr Musk bought what was formerly Twitter, advertising revenue slumped by more than half.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn47798gxx4o

Wyllow3 Thu 08-Aug-24 15:40:28

Now thats really good. Worth sticking around for, then. Hopefully someone will introduce a really interesting alternative topic.

MayBee70 Thu 08-Aug-24 15:37:25

Several people have come out in support of me thankfully.

Wyllow3 Thu 08-Aug-24 15:29:29

Possibly she is a moderator or board admin. Tough one. its not appropriate to argue back on her points as its supposed to be non political - only choice to keep posting on road closures and cats?

MayBee70 Thu 08-Aug-24 14:34:25

Our local spotted facebook page is allowing someone to post political stuff which is anti government. Looking at her profile she's an EDL/ Katie Hopkins supporter. I've asked them to not allow political stuff to be posted on what is just meant to be a page about road closures and missing cats but the moderators are ignoring me so I can only assume they agree with her.

Wyllow3 Thu 08-Aug-24 14:20:16

To return to the O/P topic and relationship to riots: today in the Guardian an interesting take on the list of where rioting was to take place last night

"Earlier Earlier Nick Lowles, a long standing expert on the British far right, and who now leads Hope Not Hate, told the Guardian that he was sceptical there would be widespread trouble on Wednesday evening.

The expectation was triggered by a list of targets found on social media. Lowles, speaking before this evening said: “I think it’s a hoax, designed to spread fear and panic.

The list has been compiled by one man in Liverpool, who simply googled immigration law firms etc. No-one is organising the local protests and there is very, very little chatter about it on the forums and WhatsApp groups that have been key over the past week

People planning for disturbances are having a difficult job negotiating social media and I suspect are very very busy atm.

Oreo Thu 08-Aug-24 14:12:35

Grandmabatty

It's well known that social media can be an echo chamber and you often don't get a sensible opposing viewpoint because of algorithms. Perhaps, Oreo, this is the reason you think other sites are worse?

No, I think and know other sites are worse but not for any other reason than that they actually are
Some sites are very lightly moderated like this one and some hardly moderated at all.
On this forum nobody even writes a good old Anglo Saxon word in full.
There may be the occasional racist comment on a thread tho I haven’t seen one to date.I suspect it’s more in the eye of the beholder who sees racist/ xenophobic remarks if a poster even mentions they dislike the fact that hundreds of people arrive here in a small boat weekly.
But…enough already!
Thems me views on the matter of Gransnet.😄