Relief today, KS and the public combined.

Mollygo

Why the surprise? Even Muslim women have legs.

😄😄 it was sarcasm after reading other posts on this thread.

There was an open day at a mosque near here. Muslim women were there chatting to visitors and showing them how to put on a hijab ( if they wanted to, it wasn’t compulsory).,

Why the surprise? Even Muslim women have legs.

Blimey a Muslim woman has slipped out and won the marathon. I wonder if the men have noticed. She will no doubt slip back again unnoticed.

They’re using the special court system Starmer introduced when he was in charge at the DPP in the 2011 riots
Starmer has a tough job but I believe he’s then experience and skills to improve our CJS

It's good to see the level of sentencing being imposed instead of the usual mediocre community based and probation routes applied when violence is involved.

Thirty years ago I rarely saw Muslim people in traditional dress or hijabs/burkas. These days it’s very common.
I agree with you that some young men ftpm any culture can appear arrogant. Like the world belongs to them

We live in an area with an increasing number of Muslim families. The women mostly wear hijab, some niqab and one or two burqa, but they’re certainly out and about.
The only issue is when groups of young Muslim men gather, making it difficult to pass without walking into the road. But then, that’s an issue with some non-Muslim young men too.

Primrose - I’m assuming you don’t live in an area with a large Muslim community.
The women are everywhere, just like the white community, they work in retail, libraries, nurseries, schools etc. I can’t recall ever seeing them walk 3 paces behind the man. Though more traditional families often include one man amongst a group of women.

Oreo - maybe I’ve missed something but the rioters I’ve seen reported as having been convicted werent homeless. Many of them were employed.

referring to

Freya5 which riots are you referring when ‘the black community went on the rampage’?

Whitewavemark2

Looking at the mug shots, they all seem to look unhealthy and vacant.

Is it done deliberately by the mug shot takers?

I wondered that. As my grandmother would have said ‘there’s none of them bonny’!

I think it’s a combination of poverty (poor diet, bad haircuts, probable drink and alcohol issues) and the ‘look forward and don’t smile’ way the shots are taken. My passport photo does me no favours either.

Looking at the mug shots, they all seem to look unhealthy and vacant.

Is it done deliberately by the mug shot takers?

I wonder if we will ever know how many of the people imprisoned for violent behaviour or looting during the riots are already waiting to be sentenced for other crimes? My gut feeling is that it’s probably quite a high number, if as reported 70% have previous convictions, the odds are many also have pending ones.

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BlueBelle

If the prisons get too full of these hate filled thugs perhaps the Bibby Stockholm will be useful or even Rwanda 🤣

Starmer seems very grown up compared to Johnson imagine how he would have reacted to this

I think some young men involved in the rioting would have been glad of bed and board on the Bibby Stockholm as they were homeless/ of no fixed abode/ sofa surfing.
The law has to be upheld about rioting but to me the really bad people were the instigators of the riots.
Now their bed and board is in prison which will make their lives and themselves even worse.
Maybe I’m alone on here in thinking prison isn’t the answer for all of these people and that each one should have been judged on a case by case criteria.
In the rush to get them all up before ‘the beak’ they were all jailed, even ones with no previous convictions.
For many of the worst of the rioters prison sentences were the right thing to do.

If the prisons get too full of these hate filled thugs perhaps the Bibby Stockholm will be useful or even Rwanda 🤣

Starmer seems very grown up compared to Johnson imagine how he would have reacted to this

Most British people don’t want to be, or have their friends be threatened by thugs, to have their businesses smashed up and their homes attacked. They don’t want their country to be viewed as violent by the rest of the world, and are happy to see rioters sent to prison.

He is working for the people.

He doesn't listen to peoples concerns,and threatens prison .The government is suppose to work for the people.

Whitewavemark2

I was listening to TRIP this morning, and they read out the legal definition of a terrorist.

I think many of the rioters were fulfil the definition.

All people who riot , of whatever ethnicity, are terrorists. They cause terror.

Freya5

Cadeby

I don't know if this helps, I was in Specsavers today.

There were real , live Muslim women working there!

It was astounding. They could speak English and everything.

. Are we supposed to clap or something. There have been muslim Dr's and other medical associates in this country for years. Nothing special to see here.

I get your irony

Cadeby

I don't know if this helps, I was in Specsavers today.

There were real , live Muslim women working there!

It was astounding. They could speak English and everything.

. Are we supposed to clap or something. There have been muslim Dr's and other medical associates in this country for years. Nothing special to see here.

The Secretary General of The Muslim Council of Britain is a woman and has been in place since 2021.

Zara Mohammed speaks on the Southport murders and riots and the effect of those who further anti Islam tropes

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1045044960389372

People who post they aren't aware of womens muslim voices only have to seek them out.

Cadeby

Primrose53

AGAA4

Very negative post Primrose.

But it’s true! they held an open day at a mosque in Norwich a couple of years ago and, as people rightly said, it would be nice to meet Muslim women too in order to get a balanced view.

Excellent point. I hope you brought it up and hopefully they responded.

My son went on a school trip to a mosque years ago. They met both men and women, who explained to them their rituals. I doubt that has changed.
My BiL is a strict catholic. He doesn’t believe women should assume any offices within the church. He is far more fundamentalist than any of the numerous male and female Muslims I worked with in the NHS (he and I have had many arguments, unsurprisingly). Muslims are not all strict, just as Christians are not. Mosques are not all the same, just as Christian churches are not. Why do people think their experience negates that of others?