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Labour……I really tried but have now given up!

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Sago Sat 10-Aug-24 15:01:01

When Labour came to power, I decided to give them the benefit of the doubt, some good decisions were made such as James Timpson appointed Minister of prisons, I was feeling positive.

However, as my husband predicted, it wouldn’t last.

Removing the winter fuel allowance and the cap on nursing home fees was dreadful but her latest move is beyond comprehension.

Angela Rayner has dropped Tory plans to limit applications for social housing to long-term British residents.

The Housing Secretary has formally scrapped reforms that would have prevented recently arrived migrants from applying for a council house in England.

Enough is enough!

Primrose53 Sun 11-Aug-24 21:43:01

Wyllow3

Cross posted. I assumed when you said you "managed a local site" it was your community site not a local political site.

I probably didn’t word it very well. 😉

Wyllow3 Sun 11-Aug-24 21:14:44

Cross posted. I assumed when you said you "managed a local site" it was your community site not a local political site.

Wyllow3 Sun 11-Aug-24 21:05:25

Actually genuinely shocked. Local FB site is for all: since locally people actually know each other, makes it all the more important to set boundaries.

If you however set up a site for political discussion, its another matter of course

Primrose53 Sun 11-Aug-24 21:04:41

Wyllow3

A local Facebook site purporting the serve all the community allows political postings? And fostered by the site organiser?
Blimey.

Ours has genuine local community news and local concerns.

Read it again. i did not say the posts were on our local site. I said my friend and i manage that local site.

Callistemon213 Sun 11-Aug-24 21:04:19

Siope

No world peace. No miracle green fuel. No cure all known diseases. Not even an extra bank holiday for no reason at all. Slackers.

🤣🤣🤣

Honestly, I wonder what they've been doing all this time?
Partying at No 10, I bet! 🎉🎊🥂🍺🍷

Cossy Sun 11-Aug-24 20:54:40

Wyllow3

A local Facebook site purporting the serve all the community allows political postings? And fostered by the site organiser?
Blimey.

Ours has genuine local community news and local concerns.

Our local community sites on both F/B and the next door website actively discourage political and religious postings, due to the divisive nature of these topics and bad feelings caused.

Some moderators could learn from this.

Cossy Sun 11-Aug-24 20:52:58

Siope

No world peace. No miracle green fuel. No cure all known diseases. Not even an extra bank holiday for no reason at all. Slackers.

Indeed! Sack the lot of them immediately!

Honestly they’ve been in power less time that Lettuce Truss and her dubious chancellor, they managed to do far more (damage) in their 7 measly weeks!

Wyllow3 Sun 11-Aug-24 20:51:11

A local Facebook site purporting the serve all the community allows political postings? And fostered by the site organiser?
Blimey.

Ours has genuine local community news and local concerns.

Mollygo Sun 11-Aug-24 20:48:40

Cadeby
Stand in front of a mirror and repeat these words three times, turn around three times, switch the lights on and off and look back in the mirror, look there’s good old Nige and Boris! 😱😱😱

If you do that, you deserve to see Farage and Johnson. I wonder how you discovered that happened!

Granniesunite Sun 11-Aug-24 20:39:10

cossy that is funny. I do wonder if the age group on here is really that of mature adults….

Casdon Sun 11-Aug-24 20:35:02

Cossy

Cadeby

I suppose if people repeat over and over the word "boat" its like a sort of Pavlovian response.

Yup “Stop The Boats” is like “Get Brexit Done” just a meaningless mantra.

Stand in front of a mirror and repeat these words three times, turn around three times, switch the lights on and off and look back in the mirror, look there’s good old Nige and Boris! 😱😱😱

Like Harry Potter staring into the Mirror of Erised, showing the deepest desire of his heart.

Cossy Sun 11-Aug-24 20:30:31

Cadeby

I suppose if people repeat over and over the word "boat" its like a sort of Pavlovian response.

Yup “Stop The Boats” is like “Get Brexit Done” just a meaningless mantra.

Stand in front of a mirror and repeat these words three times, turn around three times, switch the lights on and off and look back in the mirror, look there’s good old Nige and Boris! 😱😱😱

Cossy Sun 11-Aug-24 20:28:27

Primrose53

I don’t do X/Twitter but I do use Facebook as My friend and I manage our local site. I have been staggered the last few days by the huge number of people sharing posts about Labour’s poor start. Posts vary but mostly people are saying how come they can stop theWinterFuel Payments but they can’t stop illegal immigrants from arriving in boats.

Really? Have you replied the previous govt spent 14 years trying to stop them??

Cadeby Sun 11-Aug-24 19:58:35

I suppose if people repeat over and over the word "boat" its like a sort of Pavlovian response.

Casdon Sun 11-Aug-24 19:56:59

Primrose53

I don’t do X/Twitter but I do use Facebook as My friend and I manage our local site. I have been staggered the last few days by the huge number of people sharing posts about Labour’s poor start. Posts vary but mostly people are saying how come they can stop theWinterFuel Payments but they can’t stop illegal immigrants from arriving in boats.

I expect you would immediately leave any groups where there is widespread praise of Labour’s start, although of course those pages are also widely available. I’d ignore the reality that hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets in the last few days to support immigrants too if I were you.

David49 Sun 11-Aug-24 19:28:04

Iam64

Primrose53

I don’t do X/Twitter but I do use Facebook as My friend and I manage our local site. I have been staggered the last few days by the huge number of people sharing posts about Labour’s poor start. Posts vary but mostly people are saying how come they can stop theWinterFuel Payments but they can’t stop illegal immigrants from arriving in boats.

- ‘how come they can stop the winter fuel payments but the can’t stop illegal immigrants from arriving in boats.
Seriously?

It’s going to be interesting to see how they are going to reduce boats coming over.
As for economics, don’t expect any give aways, do expect extra taxation across the board.

Siope Sun 11-Aug-24 19:24:03

No world peace. No miracle green fuel. No cure all known diseases. Not even an extra bank holiday for no reason at all. Slackers.

MayBee70 Sun 11-Aug-24 19:22:02

Primrose53

I don’t do X/Twitter but I do use Facebook as My friend and I manage our local site. I have been staggered the last few days by the huge number of people sharing posts about Labour’s poor start. Posts vary but mostly people are saying how come they can stop theWinterFuel Payments but they can’t stop illegal immigrants from arriving in boats.

Our local Facebook page has had posts slagging off Labour. They were re posts from people who followed Katie Hopkins and another one who was posting videos of Tommy Robinson. I questioned the motive behind the posts and they have been removed.

MissAdventure Sun 11-Aug-24 19:13:52

In a five week timespan?
With riots thrown into the mix??

Iam64 Sun 11-Aug-24 19:09:42

Primrose53

I don’t do X/Twitter but I do use Facebook as My friend and I manage our local site. I have been staggered the last few days by the huge number of people sharing posts about Labour’s poor start. Posts vary but mostly people are saying how come they can stop theWinterFuel Payments but they can’t stop illegal immigrants from arriving in boats.

- ‘how come they can stop the winter fuel payments but the can’t stop illegal immigrants from arriving in boats.
Seriously?

Primrose53 Sun 11-Aug-24 19:05:28

I don’t do X/Twitter but I do use Facebook as My friend and I manage our local site. I have been staggered the last few days by the huge number of people sharing posts about Labour’s poor start. Posts vary but mostly people are saying how come they can stop theWinterFuel Payments but they can’t stop illegal immigrants from arriving in boats.

RosiesMaw2 Sun 11-Aug-24 19:02:24

Mollygo

Funny they way that complaints about this government are dismissed with
“Well look what the last government did.”
It’s like the playground cry of
“He did it first!”

And the assumption that anyone criticising this government automatically endorsed all the previous government’s actions, which is not true.

No, it’s more like “I’ve been living off McDonalds and junk food for the last 12 years, Why has my new diet whivh I started 5 weeks ago not shed the 4 stone I put on”

Cossy Sun 11-Aug-24 18:49:37

It’s obscene huge profit making companies not paying staff a living wage and have them subsidised by our government.

Maerion Sun 11-Aug-24 18:24:48

dalrymple23. With an MSc in Economics, I’m sure Rachel Reeves can do sums properly!

People have a right to claim benefits. Many people needing to do so are only in that position because we have a low wage economy.

MaizieD says:

more pensioners claiming what they are entitled to won't make the projected savings any smaller because the money to cover the claims has already been allocated.

Exactly. The government factors in contingencies for unclaimed benefits and maintains reserves to cover this. It isn’t extra money that has to be found.

Policy in Practice estimates that the total amount of unclaimed income related benefits and social tariffs across Great Britain is now £22.7 billion a year.

policyinpractice.co.uk/missing-out-2024-23-billion-of-support-is-unclaimed-each-year/

As regards minimum wage.

The legal minimum wage for those aged 21 and over increased to £11.44 on 1 April 2024. Before that it was £10.42 but only for those 23 and over and only £10.18 for those 21-22).

The government set a minimum wage through a negotiation process with the Low Pay Commission. The projected next rise (for April 2025) is between £11.65 to £12.18, with a central projection of £11.89 - with the proviso that forecasts could change over the year. This explains how it’s done:

minimumwage.blog.gov.uk/2024/04/19/what-will-the-minimum-wage-be-next-year/

I don’t know if others saw this story.

Before 1 April 2024, Tesco was paying its staff £11.02, so slightly above the then minimum which would give employees and extra £4.80 a day extra for working eight hours - £3.00 after stoppages.

The employer agreed with USDAW to increase this to £12.02 but did not pay it until the end of April 2024 effectively paying its staff below minimum wage for four weeks. It saved the company £17 million. Regulations do allow this but when the CEO is paid £10 million a year it’s pretty mean.

www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/07/tesco-pay-rise-delay-minimum-wage

Tesco’s pre-tax profits to 24 February 2024 were £2.3bn, up from £882m in the previous year. while sales rose by 4.4% to £68.2bn. They would hardly have been crippled by paying their employees the higher rate from 1 April.

Mollygo Sun 11-Aug-24 18:18:35

Funny they way that complaints about this government are dismissed with
“Well look what the last government did.”
It’s like the playground cry of
“He did it first!”

And the assumption that anyone criticising this government automatically endorsed all the previous government’s actions, which is not true.