Labour……I really tried but have now given up!

Rayner has now come up with what she thinks is a brilliant plan - Operation Scatter.

She is going to scatter asylum seekers around the UK in former care homes, empty houses etc.

If this is so then the Labour leadership is cloth eared.Long term British residents ( of whatever race or colour) deserve to get first dibs on much needed council housing.The recently arrived should be at the back of the queue.

Oh well

No government pleases everyone.

Good job we live in a democracy so that the government can be voted out come an election.

The government got voted in more or less a month ago.

Anyone deciding that they are not up to scratch after a month almost certainly didn’t vote for them, is pretty much focused on the migrant issue, and not particularly interested in waiting to see how labour policies play out over the coming years.

That’s fine- I have no issue with that.

For myself?

I am a government supporter. Although not to the extent that I like 100% of what they will be doing. But I am content to sit within the Labour Party and argue my case E.g. scrapping two child benefit, setting up a social care plan as an example.

But it is always interesting to read post that are entirely critical of the Labour government as they usually re-confirm the reason why I voted labour.

Primrose53

Rayner has now come up with what she thinks is a brilliant plan - Operation Scatter.

She is going to scatter asylum seekers around the UK in former care homes, empty houses etc.

The problem with that is that already traumatised people need the support of those whom they know, people who speak their language, may have common experiences, not to be placed randomly into places where they know no-one, where everything is strange to them.
They need the support of communities but also of each other.

It's not well thought through.

Oh dear Sago I sympathise with you. But cheer up it’s surprising how much better you can feel if you don’t have any hope….. then you won’t be disappointed ☹️

But it is always interesting to read post that are entirely critical of the Labour government as they usually re-confirm the reason why I voted labour.

Do you think Operation Scatter is a good idea, then, Whitewave?

Personally I don't, partly for the reasons I give above.
People will arrive frightened and traumatised and sent to goodness knows where.

They need to speed up the processing system, certainly, but this is surely not the answer.

I think I'll give them longer than a month before I give up on them. You had Tories in charge for 14 years with any number of Prime Ministers, some voted for, many not. At what stage did you give up on them?

We can focus on many things including the migrant issue, social housing and the withdrawal of WFA for pensioners , amazing isn’t it?
It doesn’t mean writing Labour off after a month it means being disappointed .Those here who are content with every policy their chosen political party puts out are probably well heeled and totally complacent.

Callistemon213

^But it is always interesting to read post that are entirely critical of the Labour government as they usually re-confirm the reason why I voted labour.^

Do you think Operation Scatter is a good idea, then, Whitewave?

Personally I don't, partly for the reasons I give above.
People will arrive frightened and traumatised and sent to goodness knows where.

They need to speed up the processing system, certainly, but this is surely not the answer.

Well, I’m not up to speed with the whole concept but what became clear during the referendum was that the people most worried about immigrants were people living in areas where there were few of them so it was a fear of the unknown so dispersal looks, at first glance a sensible plan.Unlike Conservative voters who seem to support their party through thick and thin Labour voters tend to be uber critical but even by those standards it’s a bit much to be turning against the party after only 4 weeks. It seems to me that the people on this thread that agree with the OP have been criticising the new government right from the start so I do question their motivation. I assume they are Labour Party members and that, like me they will be able to contact the party to discuss their concerns?Which I will certainly do if their policies worry me.

Callistemon213

^But it is always interesting to read post that are entirely critical of the Labour government as they usually re-confirm the reason why I voted labour.^

Do you think Operation Scatter is a good idea, then, Whitewave?

Personally I don't, partly for the reasons I give above.
People will arrive frightened and traumatised and sent to goodness knows where.

They need to speed up the processing system, certainly, but this is surely not the answer.

I haven’t seen it reported yet.

Busy day

But assuming I agree with you. I would be a bit stupid to give up on the government after one month don’t you think?

We’ve just emerged from 14 very, very long years of mismanagement of the economy, policies that divided the nation, ministers that were either moral vacuums, weak leaders, liars and complicit in racism, to say nothing about some very questionable so called friendships with Russian KGB and oligarchs.

Famous Scots comment - aye right. "Well heeled and complacent" 😂😂😂 apart from the fact that you clearly know nothing about me or my life, it's a rather sad insult, don't you think? Still, at least I'm not racist like some on this site.

But assuming I agree with you. I would be a bit stupid to give up on the government after one month don’t you think?

What gave you the idea I had?

Callistemon213

^But assuming I agree with you. I would be a bit stupid to give up on the government after one month don’t you think?^

What gave you the idea I had?

I hadn’t - it was sort of combining your comment with the OP.

Certainly not all Labour supporters are uber critical , if only that were the case!
Maybee70 there will be many other policies to come but so far I’m disappointed, but not totally downhearted.

DH and I are not wealthy pensioners but we certainly don’t need the winter fuel allowance and nor do the very many wealthy people who happen to be over 65. People who are struggling financially must make sure they apply for all the help they are entitled to. Many don’t.

MayBee70

Callistemon213

But it is always interesting to read post that are entirely critical of the Labour government as they usually re-confirm the reason why I voted labour.

Do you think Operation Scatter is a good idea, then, Whitewave?

Personally I don't, partly for the reasons I give above.
People will arrive frightened and traumatised and sent to goodness knows where.

They need to speed up the processing system, certainly, but this is surely not the answer.

Well, I’m not up to speed with the whole concept but what became clear during the referendum was that the people most worried about immigrants were people living in areas where there were few of them so it was a fear of the unknown so dispersal looks, at first glance a sensible plan.Unlike Conservative voters who seem to support their party through thick and thin Labour voters tend to be uber critical but even by those standards it’s a bit much to be turning against the party after only 4 weeks. It seems to me that the people on this thread that agree with the OP have been criticising the new government right from the start so I do question their motivation. I assume they are Labour Party members and that, like me they will be able to contact the party to discuss their concerns?Which I will certainly do if their policies worry me.

It might be what some of the protestors want but is it better for
traumatised asylum seekers?

With the last government we kept hearing about policies which had been scribbled on the back of an envelope (or fag packet if posters prefer) and this seems to be a knee-jerk idea as a result of recent events.

I'm trying to ask a reasonable question about one new idea, so the immediate response from Whitewave assuming I am stupidly giving up on the government after one month was uncalled for.

Whitewavemark2

Callistemon213

But assuming I agree with you. I would be a bit stupid to give up on the government after one month don’t you think?

What gave you the idea I had?

I hadn’t - it was sort of combining your comment with the OP.

Why?

Grandmabatty

Famous Scots comment - aye right. "Well heeled and complacent" 😂😂😂 apart from the fact that you clearly know nothing about me or my life, it's a rather sad insult, don't you think? Still, at least I'm not racist like some on this site.

You would only be well heeled and complacent if you are content with every policy that Labour put out so far.
Are you happy with the withdrawal of WFA for pensioners and not limiting applications for council housing to long term British residents, of any race and colour, in other words that recently arrived migrants have the same right to apply and would maybe get housing ahead of those who have worked and paid into the system here.
It isn’t an insult btw it’s my observation.

So it took 14 years of one disaster after another to pee some voters off when it comes to the Tories but just over a month for Labour. Sounds a bit harsh to me. Thing is scrapping the winter fuel allowance for those not on benefits means money freed up to pay junior docs, and as for social housing I don’t think the Tories had a fantastic plan here either seeing as those who shout loudest about how terrible immigration is say they have been getting houses for years, on the Tories watch then.
Also this plan to scatter immigrants nationwide will mean that those areas with large immigrant populations will be relieved of the burden on their resources as immigrants are moved elsewhere. It will mean of course that the very worst net curtain twitchers who complain most about immigrants despite never seeing one in their neck of the woods will actually get some living near them. But of course once they have a small mini mart that stays open all hours and a cheap as chips car wash run by said immigrants my experience is that they will probs shut up about it.

The only link to this that I can find is the Telegraph, which is not very reliable (and I can't read the article as it's paywalled).

Can someone provide more details, please? Is she talking about immigrants who come to work, or is the talking about refugees? Or both?

The current residence requirement is 10 years. Is she proposing to remove it altogether or to reduce it? What conditions will apply? Will it be linked to immigrants gaining an Indefinite Leave to Remain visa, which takes 5 years of residency? Or to some other visa status? What other conditions will apply?

These kind of details are very important in understanding the potential impact of this alleged policy.

Sad really that some of us are conditioned to see people seeking asylum as a problem or as pushing ahead in the queue.

You've repeatedly been told the actual truth on many threads about housing etc. Yet, you refuse to listen. I'm not going to waste my energy by arguing with you. Your mind is closed and made up.

How will local authority and housing association allocation processes be changed by this alleged change? Will they still retain autonomy to respond to local need and set their own criteria? If not, who will?

Thing is scrapping the winter fuel allowance for those not on benefits means money freed up to pay junior docs

No it doesn't.

It doesn't work like that.