These lengthy prison sentences for rioters

Callistemon213

Primrose53

Whitewavemark2

David Olusoga wrote today that the rioters are simply racists. There is zero excuse for what they did.

Am inclined to agree.

Everybody in the world is racist according to him.

Does that include himself?

Probably. He is a trouble stirrer.

Primrose53

Callistemon213

Primrose53

Whitewavemark2

David Olusoga wrote today that the rioters are simply racists. There is zero excuse for what they did.

Am inclined to agree.

Everybody in the world is racist according to him.

Does that include himself?

Probably. He is a trouble stirrer.

Why

I rather like him

Callistemon213

I rather like him

So do I. Isn't he a professor of Black history? That's why his programmes tend to be about slavery etc. It's not exactly a crowded market, so his voice is heard more than others on the subject. I love his House Through Time series, too.

winterwhite

Apologies if there has been a thread on this already.
I fear that prison sentences of several years for young men with no previous record will do no good to them or their communities. The inadequacies of training or rehab in prisons has been gone over again and again. Meanwhile, many of the men will have families / young children who could fall into poverty, and how will the men themselves find work when they are released.
I would rather see sentences of 6-12 months while a task force is established to identify needed community work to which they could be bussed each weekend while working at home during the week to minimise family breakup.
Something like that strikes me as preferable to doing nothing in prison for years on end.

I agree with you.
If there was no previous criminal record and the charge against them wasn’t actually too bad ( for some it was shouting and pushing) and in one case not moving back and waving his arms and was drunk, then I don’t believe a prison sentence was warranted.
This whole thing, being arrested and charged and sentenced so fast is to deter any more riots rather than being completely fair.
They know that and we know that.
That doesn’t mean that that there weren’t some foul and dangerous people in those riots with long criminal records.

Doodledog

Callistemon213

I rather like him

So do I. Isn't he a professor of Black history? That's why his programmes tend to be about slavery etc. It's not exactly a crowded market, so his voice is heard more than others on the subject. I love his House Through Time series, too.

I liked his House Through Time too. He goes on and on about white people having slaves but never mentions the black people who captured white people and enslaved them.

As an example many white Irish people were captured and taken to Barbados where they were kept as slaves and the lowest of the low. A small community still exists to this day. They were called Red Legs as with their pale Irish skin they burned really badly. the singer Rihanna is a descendant.

MayBee70

Someone on another forum was saying pushing a dustbin at a policeman shouldn’t warrant a three year sentence. But I read today that the woman was screaming racist obscenities at the policemen.

It was only a couple of weeks ago that people were suggesting women should not be sent to prison apart from murder or other equally dreadful crime. It was discussed on here.

The sentencing will take previous convictions into account, though, and the arrests were made on the basis of video evidence. I expect that anyone waving their arms would be unlikely to be prosecuted. Having said that, in the 2011 riots people were jailed for 'looting' water - I remember one young man got 6 months for that, and he wasn't rioting - it was an 'opportunistic' theft that he committed on his way back from his girlfriend's house when he was thirsty. He was a student, and I imagine the sentence will have messed his life up significantly.

Still, the message is loud and clear - if you are in an area where there is violent disorder, do as the police tell you and don't break the law. Also you can't rely on so-called 'two tier policing' to get you off the hook if you're middle class, which is probably fair enough.

I have zero sympathy. They are thugs, put them on prison. I was out today in a town near me, a suburban pleasant area. What did I encounter a group of s.... shouting EDL. They were very young, very ignorant and totally annoying.
I hope everyone who is arrested gets a custodial sentance, even if one did cry.
I feel sorry for all the innocents affected, the shop owners who were burnt out. Mosques that were vandalised. I don't give a thought to those that banged up.

What went on last weekend was thuggery and anarchy. The only way to put paid to it was to use the full force of the law. It needed a shock retaliation. The viciousness and attempted murder such as at the hotel where burning bins were pushed through the door while chairs were thrown at the police who had no option but to stand and take it while pressed against the wall. Then there were bricks etc used while it was obvious the vicious thugs were out to maim. So no sympathy from me.

I think they would be better in prison uniforms cleaning streets and doing community service but I suppose that would be too hard to supervise. Easier to lock them up and breed discontent.

Primrose53

Doodledog

Callistemon213

I rather like him

So do I. Isn't he a professor of Black history? That's why his programmes tend to be about slavery etc. It's not exactly a crowded market, so his voice is heard more than others on the subject. I love his House Through Time series, too.

I liked his House Through Time too. He goes on and on about white people having slaves but never mentions the black people who captured white people and enslaved them.

As an example many white Irish people were captured and taken to Barbados where they were kept as slaves and the lowest of the low. A small community still exists to this day. They were called Red Legs as with their pale Irish skin they burned really badly. the singer Rihanna is a descendant.

You are re-writing history. - it is the primrose farage version of British history. Entirely incorrect with a tiny bit if truth attached. It is what populists do.

I really don’t have the time or inclination to say why.

nanna8

I think they would be better in prison uniforms cleaning streets and doing community service but I suppose that would be too hard to supervise. Easier to lock them up and breed discontent.

Worked last time. The so called discontent never manifested itself again.

These riots are entirely different to the last ones.

I know, wwm. And ignores the fact that DO’s subject is black history, as is the topic of many of the programmes he presents.

The judiciary sentences within strict guidelines. Any sentence may be challenged if the guidelines are not followed.

Whitewavemark2

David Olusoga wrote today that the rioters are simply racists. There is zero excuse for what they did.

Am inclined to agree.

Very easy for the racist card to be played.
Underlying causes don't matter do they,?? Thuggery is abominable from whoever it comes from and is no excuse.
What does he say about the lady arrested on the pavement for simply being afraid of being followed home, she a racist too.
What about the Islamists slashing the tyres of SKY reporter, threatening her on the streets, they racist too, guess not,no arrests either. Who cares what celebrities say, I don't.

Whataboutery.

We can all play that game, but it gets us absolutely nowhere.

How do you know they were islamists? Did they have the word tattooed on their forehead, or is it your racist rhetoric?

Freya5

Whitewavemark2

David Olusoga wrote today that the rioters are simply racists. There is zero excuse for what they did.

Am inclined to agree.

Very easy for the racist card to be played.
Underlying causes don't matter do they,?? Thuggery is abominable from whoever it comes from and is no excuse.
What does he say about the lady arrested on the pavement for simply being afraid of being followed home, she a racist too.
What about the Islamists slashing the tyres of SKY reporter, threatening her on the streets, they racist too, guess not,no arrests either. Who cares what celebrities say, I don't.

It’s not Top Trumps Freya5. One act of thuggery by one group doesn’t cancel out another - and even you would admit that after 800 odd arrests there were a lot more than one act of violence from racists than from anybody else.

People seem to think that DO should know about everything, and manage to cram in every example of every event into a 3minute comment, a 1000 word article or an hour on TV. I’m sure he’s very flattered by these opinions but it’s easy to understand that he can’t.

I once saw David Attenborough talking about gorillas in the wild, and he didn’t once mention Koko (the trained gorilla who could use sign language). I list all respect for him after that. National Treasure indeed 🙄.

Ziplok

I’m afraid they have no sympathy from me - they knew full well what they were doing, a lot of them have previous, and they have to face the consequence of their actions whether they have previous or not. I really believe that most of them thought they would get a slap on the wrist, if apprehended at all. I’m sick and tired of this frequently being the case, and happy that this hasn’t been the case this time. They have caused damage, fear and cost many people their livelihood over the period of violence as they’ve had to shut up shop.
So, some have families, and there are concerns that they will suffer as a result, but actually, these miscreants should have thought of that before they went on the rampage, inflicting terror on innocent people. I’m sorry for their relatives, but not for them.

Yes.

It’s good to see the ignorance of the reality and legacy if empire and slavery, shown repeatedly by ‘some posters’ challenged here.

I support the swift and serious sentencing of the rioters. The mess our CJS is in can’t be used as an excuse not to come down hard with speed

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Primrose53

Whitewavemark2

David Olusoga wrote today that the rioters are simply racists. There is zero excuse for what they did.

Am inclined to agree.

Everybody in the world is racist according to him.

I do wonder how his mum feels because she is white and brought him up as a single mum yet she seems to have been written out of his life story.

I have some sympathy for their families, but the rioters and looters should have thought about the consequences beforehand.
All criminals cause consequences for those left behind when they are imprisoned.
It is no excuse for not imposing a custodial sentence. However, I agree that there should be more educational opportunities for those imprisoned.