Donald Trump's lies

He's a politician, they all tell lies. Look at the lot we've now got.

It doesn’t look likely that it will make difference.
www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/08/23/as-rfk-jr-exits-a-look-at-who-supported-him-in-the-2024-presidential-race/
His family are unhappy with him too by the sound of it.

RFK Jr just endorsed Trump. Will it matter in November?

Mike Wendling BBC News•@mwendling

Apart him being idiotic and ridiculous, impact would seem to be the same as prior. Will people vote for Trump because RFKjr pulled his independent candidacy status? Nobody knows.

varian

Apparently HM also remarked that Trump and his wife seemed to have an "arrangement"

Irony.

Revelations on how his businesses and politics are used for favoured connections - to raise money for him both personally and politically, and how someone has basically bought a candidacy...
..."raking in millions of dollars from Republican political campaigns – including his own"

edition.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/trump-businesses-campaign-spending-invs/index.html?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

Watch this video - he's even marketed his own bible...
edition.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/trump-businesses-campaign-spending-invs/index.html?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

edition.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/takeaways-dnc-day-4/index.html?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

Harris' final speech and details.

No major come back from Trump's yet.
I like the way that although they criticise Trump, they don't go for lies, AI or the sheer bitterness. Harris tried to go for unity not division.

Kamala Harris and Tim Walz come across to me as a breath of fresh air. Gradually, Trump's lead is being reduced by these two and he is rattled.

Thanks for the links above.
Interesting!

Galaxy

Mmm not sure about that, the Democrats are more extreme than the UK on some issues, I am not sure it's about left and right, more their obsession with identity politics. It's so depressing and divisive from both sides.

I don't think they are obsessed with identity politics! I think they are more conscious of the (recent) slave ownership, white supremacy and misogyny etc.
I think all fair minded people would be more "conscious" if we worked in women's services (for example) over there or saw the Christian right-wing in action...

What a world we are living in now. The thought that americans could even think of putting Trump up as president is appalling and says little for what brains they have to even consider it. To think that we can only hope that they will not choose him is quite frightening to think of and the idea that we have to live with his maniacal ways is worrying. Still talking of liars and cheats this country voted in Boris Johnson!

We know that Trump interfered to prevent the Republicans voting for bipartisan bill which would have reduced crossings of the border with Mexico because he did not want Biden to get the credit.

Now it appears he may have also done something far worse by interfering with Gaza peace negotiations so that awful conflict can continue and be used by him to influence this the election.

Trump has allegedly been talking with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to avert a cease-fire deal, fearing that doing so could help Vice President Kamala Harris win in November, according to PBS.

If true this is utterly appalling -pure evil

Galaxy

Yes Barrack Obama has generally always avoided identity politics, Michelle's speech was full of it. America is fascinating in some ways.

Given it a lot of thought and I realised I'd been defining "identity politics" in a very narrow way as in thinking "woke" OTT.

You are right - in a way lots of identify politics, including the way different groups on the right self identify. (the extreme being as I said above white nationalist groups).

Listened to most of it, and very well argued. Valued the comments that said "I'm a Christian, I want no part in this"

It does work now. I've just tried it.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ashBPmx5sP4

Hope this works.

Sorry about that. I was responding to a Facebook friend.

Wyllow3

What comes up is a pic of Trump at golf and some comments on him?

That comes up for me too.🤔

What comes up is a pic of Trump at golf and some comments on him?

Here is a link to a talk given by Jamie Raskin - a politician debunking the belief that the Constitution is based upon Christian values. It's rather long but very interesting.

Even when told that there is no mention some of the extremists continue to state that they belief that the Constitution is based upon the Bible.

www.facebook.com/TheChristianLeft/posts/pfbid0eyk656rKJ7iFWuGCUtoZqMHnAmndDCQJV1izNuwj4YrLvaFJzda7LpBt5vxkTPQ7l?comment_id=911800697442422

I suppose you could say US identity politics when based in race has never been inactive. And so different in different states.

My contact also reminded me - "What you need to remember with American politics is that the federal government - and even more so the President - has very little influence at all over our daily lives.

Our state governors, and state assemblies, are almost completely in charge of the day to day affairs which really affect us"

Thank goodness we dont have white nationalist/supremacist groups, gun toting and sometimes buying up tracts of land and declaring them outside the US. laws.

Here's a list and descriptions of the groups and the kind of actions they take

www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/white-nationalist

Yes Barrack Obama has generally always avoided identity politics, Michelle's speech was full of it. America is fascinating in some ways.

Galaxy

Mmm not sure about that, the Democrats are more extreme than the UK on some issues, I am not sure it's about left and right, more their obsession with identity politics. It's so depressing and divisive from both sides.

To our UK eyes, I agree. It is as foreign a country as any other, and defining the way politics operates there as a comparison with the UK is not possible really. However, there is a huge difference between demonstrations outside the Democrat conference, and the most extreme of Trump’s supporters, who in many cases are far right, in that they don’t respect any laws, attempting to overturn the seat of democracy by force.

Actual policy speeches at the conference have focussed (Obama for example) on health care, affordable housing, food prices, and other similar issues: there are "identity politics" in matters of race and being female in the Trump/Vance attacks.

Mmm not sure about that, the Democrats are more extreme than the UK on some issues, I am not sure it's about left and right, more their obsession with identity politics. It's so depressing and divisive from both sides.

To get a better sense of Trump's wild accusations of the "Commie" Democrats, a US acquaintance wrote:

"Bear in mind when Republicans throw around accusations of a Democrat being a “commie” is that virtually all politicians here are rather more right wing than any left leaning politician in the UK,

and the Democrats as a whole would probably fit between the Lib Dem’s and the Conservatives in the UK.

There are outliers, eg the so-called Squad of progressive Democrats, and Elizabeth Warren, who are more to the left, but, to be honest, even they would probably fit on the more moderate end of the Labour Party.

There’s good old Bernie Saunders, of course, who is truly left wing - he’s also not actually a Democrat, although he votes with them - but if you picked up the rest of the party ......they would probably find their home among those parties which would be described as centre -right.