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Donald Trump's lies

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varian Fri 16-Aug-24 20:04:24

It is well established that Trump is a habitual liar but the right wing media in the US, especially broadcasters such as Fox News give him unlimited publicity and never challenge or fact check his lies.

Here is what we see when his spurious claims are actually fact checked.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=F97AJbmX6NQ

keepingquiet Fri 16-Aug-24 20:06:37

There was a time when lies were lauded and praised as 'being like us' which makes us all liars.

I'm glad those times may now at last be over.

Cossy Fri 16-Aug-24 20:07:14

Trump is unbalanced, just as are his supporters. I hope and pray he’s never ever re-elected.

Casdon Fri 16-Aug-24 20:15:22

I read this on CNN just now, his behaviour is getting increasingly bizarre - he can’t adapt to changing his rhetoric for a different opponent at all by the sound of it. Millions of Americans must have read this.
edition.cnn.com/2024/08/16/politics/trump-fury-harris-switch-campaign-analysis/index.html

Quokka Fri 16-Aug-24 20:23:02

Yes, and long may it continue. The more nutty, weird and dysfunctional he becomes the better. Then perhaps middle of the road Americans will reject him.

Cossy Fri 16-Aug-24 20:33:27

Quokka

Yes, and long may it continue. The more nutty, weird and dysfunctional he becomes the better. Then perhaps middle of the road Americans will reject him.

Amen to that! We can but live in hope 🙏🙏🙏

Whitewavemark2 Fri 16-Aug-24 20:41:35

Listening to a podcast today, and the opinion on there was that the election is still Trump’s to lose😧

Chestnut Fri 16-Aug-24 23:59:26

I just read he may be suffering from PTSD and aging rapidly, whether that's true who knows. But just be careful what you wish for, because if he stands down then JD Vance will take his place, and he is very right wing and could be more dangerous than Trump.

Wyllow3 Sat 17-Aug-24 00:09:23

I don't know the "rules", but if Trump doesn't win the election, Vance won't necessarily be the Republican candidate in 2028?

Margs Sat 17-Aug-24 07:08:58

Trump seems to be rapidly crumbling and descending into the unhinged, aged and disconnected individual he's accused Biden of being.

He rambles, goes off topic, says the word "things" an awful lot when his train of thought falls off a cliff, lapses into silly voices and, most bizarrely, flourishes his hands wildly as if he's playing an imaginary accordion.

His minders really need to take him to a quiet place for a nice lie-down.

Galaxy Sat 17-Aug-24 07:12:47

Half of America has just spent months if not years saying Biden was fine. I would say it's quite hard to be morally superior of Trumps lies when everyone has seen that.

M0nica Sat 17-Aug-24 08:20:36

BBC Verify, often analyses and deconstructs the lie in Trump's speeches.

I think he is claiming PTSD after the assasination attempt, but who knows? It could be true, but it could equally well not be true.

I say just let him keep rambling and burble all his unhinged thoughts, it can only contribute to ensuring he isn't re-elected.

Casdon Sat 17-Aug-24 08:25:11

Galaxy

Half of America has just spent months if not years saying Biden was fine. I would say it's quite hard to be morally superior of Trumps lies when everyone has seen that.

Not really, as Biden isn’t in this race? If you supported Liverpool against Man United you wouldn’t also have to support Liverpool when they played Chelsea if you preferred the latter, would you?

Pittcity Sat 17-Aug-24 08:25:53

I watch clips of him for a laugh. Apparently a recent speech was lifted almost word for word from the film Legally Blonde.
I don't understand why people vote for him.

biglouis Sat 17-Aug-24 08:26:35

Yes, and long may it continue. The more nutty, weird and dysfunctional he becomes the better. Then perhaps middle of the road Americans will reject him

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But there are some pretty extreme "Christian" groups in USA who support him. Armed and dangerous. Reminds me of The Handmaid's Tale.

Galaxy Sat 17-Aug-24 08:55:27

I wouldnt vote if I was in America Cossy.
It's not about teams really, its about expecting people to believe a moral stance on lying when you (not you personally) havent been telling the truth.

nanna8 Sat 17-Aug-24 09:02:38

He’s getting scarier and scarier. Hate to say it but maybe there should be a limit on the age someone could stand for President- 65,70?

Iam64 Sat 17-Aug-24 09:10:14

You’re right about the evangelical Christian groups and the Handmaids tale, biglouis.
America is on a precipice, thank goodness Biden stepped back and Harris has changed the dynamic

I wonder if the Republicans are setting the PTSD idea running so it can be used to explain their candidates rambling, slurring , nonsense speeches. It’s possible of course that he’s genuinely suffering trauma. No excuse for his underlying personality problems though

Chocolatelovinggran Sat 17-Aug-24 10:05:05

I am very concerned that such a man might become POTUS. He is utterly delusional which makes him very dangerous.
I agree with biglouis and Iam64, there is a branch of ( misogynistic) evangelical Chritians who believes his rhetoric and they will vote for him .
He won't " lose"- if he does, it will be due to " mis- counting" " stitch ups" etc etc in his strange world.

Wyllow3 Sat 17-Aug-24 10:15:14

I must admit I keep hoping he will eventually say or do something so clearly off his trolley that he loses at least the middle ground voters who "on balance" support him. But the millions and millions spent of TV ads that pick out the "Best" thrown at people day in day out have increased a cult following, and cults cannot bear to be disenchanted, they build their lives around "Belief" not opinions.

Grantanow Sat 17-Aug-24 10:31:18

Most of the time he's talking to his supporters for whom he can do no wrong. I hope he carries on doing that while Harris and Walz address potential supporters.

nanna8 Sat 17-Aug-24 12:09:55

At least I got a laugh over a very serious situation, Wyllow3 I hadn’t heard ‘off his trolley’ for about 50 years!

Cossy Sat 17-Aug-24 12:41:50

Chestnut

I just read he may be suffering from PTSD and aging rapidly, whether that's true who knows. But just be careful what you wish for, because if he stands down then JD Vance will take his place, and he is very right wing and could be more dangerous than Trump.

What trauma has Trump experienced, other than the awful person trying to kill him? He was talking nonsense, behaving oddly and being very long strange long long ago. Remember Covid?

Cossy Sat 17-Aug-24 12:43:09

nanna8

At least I got a laugh over a very serious situation, Wyllow3 I hadn’t heard ‘off his trolley’ for about 50 years!

I use that expression often, & Trump is truly totally off his trolley!

Wyllow3 Sat 17-Aug-24 12:59:13

It's rather apposite: it originally came from a wheeled cart totally coming off its rails. (To be serious just for a moment, I try to avoid terms like "insane" as its often used in a pejorative way for people who for no fault of their own have serious MH issues)

There are so many U tube samples of off the trolley thinking, some really significant, but the one that sticks in my mind is where he is filmed recommending injecting disinfectant

www.youtube.com/watch?v=33QdTOyXz3w