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Donald Trump's lies

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varian Fri 16-Aug-24 20:04:24

It is well established that Trump is a habitual liar but the right wing media in the US, especially broadcasters such as Fox News give him unlimited publicity and never challenge or fact check his lies.

Here is what we see when his spurious claims are actually fact checked.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=F97AJbmX6NQ

NotSpaghetti Thu 26-Sept-24 12:20:22

True Wyllow3 - still scary.

Sometimes when you hear it all together it is just so ludicrous though.

Wyllow3 Wed 25-Sept-24 20:20:09

In an appalled sort of way.

It's one thing thinking you know more about the climate, ISIS, weapons than anyone else and scary he believes it

But statements like "I know nothing about Project 25" outright lies.

NotSpaghetti Wed 25-Sept-24 10:46:59

Thought this might make some of you smile:

x.com/charise_lee/status/1838727995521143039?t=oOVLOLnz-H9xnommBbjL8w&s=19

NotSpaghetti Wed 28-Aug-24 12:51:50

Grantanow and others, if uou don't follow this already it's very interesting and factual.

link.chtbl.com/kKDwm9Yw

Podcast series: Prosecuting Donald Trump

Wyllow3 Wed 28-Aug-24 12:49:17

Yes, I noticed that- at last- hope it sticks! I'm not sure if that famous phone call recorded where he asks Georgia to "find" him 11.000 plus votes is still admissible.

Grantanow Wed 28-Aug-24 12:42:23

I see Trump has now been indicted again for election offenses. This is a fresh set of charges to steer round the Supreme Court's ruling. The core charges in the case remain the same: conspiracy to defraud the U.S. and to deprive millions of 2020 voters of their rights. Probably unlikely this will get to court before the election.

NotSpaghetti Wed 28-Aug-24 10:22:38

They must be written and he then goes ad-libbing "off script".

He is notoriously hard to keep "on message".

Allira Wed 28-Aug-24 10:08:01

M0nica

^but I'm sure you must know Trump doesn't write his own speeches^

He doesn't read them either.

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No-one would write speeches that rambling and incoherent!
They must be all from his own head.

Pittcity Wed 28-Aug-24 09:15:30

I'd love to meet whoever writes Trump's incoherent rants!

M0nica Wed 28-Aug-24 08:16:06

Most politicians do not write their own speeches. It is a time consuming job, but they will be supervising approving the speeches and will not be saying anything they do nto want to say

It is no different to the old days when a manager would tell asecretary what he he wanted to say in a letter and she would go off draft it and type it and he would read, approve t and sign it.

Freya5 Tue 27-Aug-24 07:22:44

Ailsa43

Pittcity

I watch clips of him for a laugh. Apparently a recent speech was lifted almost word for word from the film Legally Blonde.
I don't understand why people vote for him.

..but I'm sure you must know Trump doesn't write his own speeches

No, and I'm sure Biden doesn't either. They all are puppets , or muppets, as the case may be.

Wyllow3 Mon 26-Aug-24 21:28:59

I now his opponent is Harris

Wyllow3 Mon 26-Aug-24 21:26:33

Todays article in CNN addresses the problems Trump advisors have in that way especially as regards not his opponent is Harris.

edition.cnn.com/2024/08/26/politics/trump-personal-attacks-policy-harris-analysis/index.html?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

not a short read (6 mins) but really looks at the issues

NotSpaghetti Mon 26-Aug-24 21:05:35

Ha ha M0nica!

M0nica Mon 26-Aug-24 19:34:34

but I'm sure you must know Trump doesn't write his own speeches

He doesn't read them either.

Siope Sun 25-Aug-24 20:00:12

but I'm sure you must know Trump doesn't write his own speeches

It doesn’t matter, since he’s incapable of sticking to the script anyway.

Ailsa43 Sun 25-Aug-24 17:14:29

Pittcity

I watch clips of him for a laugh. Apparently a recent speech was lifted almost word for word from the film Legally Blonde.
I don't understand why people vote for him.

..but I'm sure you must know Trump doesn't write his own speeches

Norah Sun 25-Aug-24 15:10:59

Reads poorly, my fault, bad transfer/copy by me.

Remove these 2 bits for logic: Former U.S. President Donald Trump speaking into a microphone during a campaign rally at Desert Diamond Arena in Glendale, Arizona on August 23, 2024.

Three -

Norah Sun 25-Aug-24 15:07:15

Quote: Legendary strategist James Carville on why Trump’s poll numbers are lulling Dems into a false sense of security

By Isabel Keane
Published Aug. 25, 2024, 9:01 a.m. ET

Legendary Democratic strategist James Carville cautioned Democrats against falling into a false sense of security as polls show Vice President Kamala Harris leading the race against former President Donald Trump.

The longtime Democratic strategist warned Democrats during Friday night’s “Real Time With Bill Maher” that while Harris is currently polling ahead of Trump, she will have to work harder to win the Electoral College.

Vice President Kamala Harris waving as she arrives to speak on the final day of the Democratic National Convention 2024 in Chicago

Kamala Harris leads Donald Trump by less than two points nationally.

“Traditionally, with Trump on the ballot… Democrats say, ‘Oh James, you’re a Debbie Downer.’ I’m not. I’m just telling you, you got to win by three,” Carville said.

Harris is currently polling ahead of Trump nationally by less than two points, according to a Real Clear Politics Average, however, the former president is leading in several battleground swing states. The polling aggregator FiveThirtyEight has Harris leading by 3.6 percentage points.

“I challenge Democrats with some caution here. First of all, most want to say we have to win by three in the popular vote to win the Electoral College. So when you see a poll that says we two up. Well, that’s actually, you’re one down if the poll is correct,” Carville said.

“The other thing is Trump traditionally, when he’s on the ballot, chronically under-polls,” Carville added.

Former U.S. President Donald Trump speaking into a microphone during a campaign rally at Desert Diamond Arena in Glendale, Arizona on August 23, 2024.

Three - Trump traditionally underperforms on polls, Carville said.

In late August 2020, national polls predicted that President Biden was up by 9 points over Trump — but he won by just 4.4 percentage points. In 2016, Hillary Clinton was up by 6.5 points in polls. She famously won the popular vote by 2 points — but lost the Electoral College.

“Traditionally, with Trump on the ballot… Democrats say, ‘Oh James, you’re a Debbie Downer.’ I’m not. I’m just telling you, you got to win by three,” the strategist added.

Other recent polls have shown a slight edge for the former president, including one done Friday by Rasmussen Reports that had Trump ahead 49% to 46%.

The polling numbers are expected to shift once again after independent Robert F. Kennedy, who was polling at 4% according to Rasmussen, dropped out of the race on Friday and endorsed Trump.

While Rasmussen’s findings are an outlier among recent national polling, the conservative-leaning firm was among the closest firms to the final result in 2016.

Norah Sun 25-Aug-24 14:38:27

I'd find it wise "not getting out over their skis"

Quote: Hours before McCain's X post, Kennedy Jr., the third-party candidate with the highest polling, dropped out of the race and endorsed Trump, the GOP's nominee. On average, national aggregate polls found Kennedy Jr. drawing about 5 percent of the vote, a figure that could influence the outcome of the election given the small margin between Trump and Harris.

Norah Sun 25-Aug-24 14:33:44

RFK is polling between 6-7% in Arizona which could make a real difference.

Democrats shouldn't get out over their skis, this is still a toss up race - despite how many celebrity endorsements they have.

Quote: Meghan McCain (@MeghanMcCain) August 24, 2024

Wyllow3 Sun 25-Aug-24 12:41:31

Yes, I hope so too. It has been perceived as her weak point, or at least, less experience. But it's her chance to be better known.

Oreo Sat 24-Aug-24 22:27:54

Kamala Harris has done the easy bit, appearing before those who will cheer her whatever she says.The harder bit is to come, in interviews and head to heads.I hope she’ll acquit herself well and be totally serious.

NotSpaghetti Sat 24-Aug-24 21:46:19

Bella51

He's a politician, they all tell lies. Look at the lot we've now got.

I find it hard to think of anyone in politics who has lied as often as this man!

Who exactly are you thinking of?

Wyllow3 Sat 24-Aug-24 20:32:25

Casdon

It doesn’t look likely that it will make difference.
www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/08/23/as-rfk-jr-exits-a-look-at-who-supported-him-in-the-2024-presidential-race/
His family are unhappy with him too by the sound of it.

That definitely echoes other reports. Certainly some...unsusal things about him...

The BBC report on him -some quotes..

"Before welcoming RFK Jr to the stage on Friday, Trump promised, if elected, to release all remaining documents relating to the 1963 assassination of President John F Kennedy"

"Mr Kennedy told reporters on Friday that Trump's insistence he could end the war in Ukraine by negotiating with Russia "alone would justify my support for his campaign".

"Mr Kennedy's campaign became synonymous with the anti-vaccine movement as he frequently touted his leadership of the Children's Health Defense organisation, formerly known as the World Mercury Project.
In recent weeks, Mr Kennedy recounted how he dumped a dead bear cub that had been hit by a car in New York's Central Park in 2014 as a joke"

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