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Mike Lynch yacht sinking and business partner mown down out running.

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RosiesMaw2 Fri 23-Aug-24 11:40:30

Does anybody else find this the strangest of coincidences?
Or have I seen The Godfather once too often?
Stephen Chamberlain, the former vice president of the finance company Autonomy, was hit by a car while out running in Cambridgeshire on Saturday morning, his lawyer said.
Mr Chamberlain had faced the same charges of fraud and conspiracy as his former boss Mr Lynch - one of seven, I think, people known to have died after his luxury yacht was struck by an unexpectedly violent storm and sank off Sicily early on Monday.

Babs03 Mon 26-Aug-24 22:49:33

There could be a charge of manslaughter because hatches were left open even though there was an impending storm. It is believed that water flooding through the open hatches caused the yacht to sink so swiftly.
Not so much a conspiracy just human error culminating in a terrible tragedy.

eazybee Mon 26-Aug-24 22:31:12

Agree with you MOnica, particularly the last word.

welbeck Mon 26-Aug-24 21:17:31

Hipsy

MOnica Thank you for your humane post

agree. except for the last word.

Hipsy Mon 26-Aug-24 21:00:52

MOnica Thank you for your humane post

Cossy Mon 26-Aug-24 20:38:31

I find it very odd!

Delila Mon 26-Aug-24 20:34:19

Thankyou for your very interesting post MOnica. Very sad indeed that what was intended to be a celebratory trip should end so tragically.

fancythat Mon 26-Aug-24 20:28:15

Actually, for the first time for something like that, I think I will report.
If GN let it stand, so be it.

fancythat Mon 26-Aug-24 20:15:25

Ahem.

Goodness only knows what you are saying and thinking of me.

To be honest, I cannot be bothered to wade through all that, or what on earth you are thinking.
So you can carry on thinking whatever, as far as I am concerned.

M0nica Mon 26-Aug-24 20:01:53

fancythat

biglouis

With what is going on in the world at present I am wondering at all this fuss because 6 very rich people die on a luxury yacht in a seastorm. At least most of the crew got away.

I get what you are saying, and I get what others on here are saying.

My take is, it is more of a "man thing".
Big boats, wealth, etc.
And media is more of a man's world, so it gets reported "well".

This sinking dominated the headlines because of who the yacht belonged too,

Mike Lynch, who came from a very ordinary family, mother a nurse, father a fireman, was born with a quite extraordinary intellect. He did a first degree and PHD in maths at Cambridge and then had some revolutionary ideas for the use of statistical theories to understand huge datasets.

With others he set up a company that dveloped these ideas, grew rapidly and about 10 years ago was bought by Hewlett Packard. HP then decided they had paid too much for it and accused Mike Lynch of dishonesty, which he and the other accused denied. The law case over this dragged on for 10 years.

The USA wanted to try him in the USA, where he could have been imprisoned for 20 years or more. Under a grossly unbalanced extradition treaty, British people can be extradited tothe US to be tried for crimes that were not committed in the US but involved US companies while we cannot get the US to send back to the UK US citizens accused of killing people by dangerous driving because we might imprison them, probably only for a couple of years.

In the end he and a colleague Stephen Chamberlain were extradited, kept under house arrest for over a year and finally acquitted of any crime, to the amazement of all, but said to be because Mike Lynch went into the witness book and won the jury over.

This was in June this year. His relief this long ordeal was over must have been immense. being the man he was, to show his gratitude to his legal team he invited the main people involved to join him on a cruise on his boat - and we know what happened.

To you biglouis and fancythat, he may be just a rich man in a big boat, but he was still a man with a family who loved and cared for him and, do not forget, one of his chidren, an 18 year old girl died as well. Money does not leassen grief when tragedies like this occur.

More imprtantly, for those who knew about him and had read more widely than you can be bothered to do before you made your remarks. Mike Lynch was a man of quite exceptional ability - he has been called the British Bill Gates, because of the transformational nature of the work he has done. He was a man of wide intellectual interests and came form modest beginnings and from everything I have read, he was a very nice man, liked by almost everyone who knew him.

He also leaves a grieving wife and mother of the daughter who died and a second daughter.

When so manypeople on here parade their belief in equality and all that rich and hoor should be treated alike and anyone who can show more sympathy for the crew than the others on that ship, merely because those who drowned had more money than the crew is contemptible.

Sarnia Sat 24-Aug-24 13:41:43

On BBC News yesterday evening they said that in Italian law a manslaughter charge can be brought against someone who may be responsible for deaths at sea. A good job the Captain and all but one of the crew survived so they can get the full facts.

escaped Sat 24-Aug-24 12:57:05

Italian law is unknown to me.
I assume the divers have surveyed the keel, the hatches etc. Hence maybe the manslaughter investigation.

petra Sat 24-Aug-24 12:54:45

colliemum

It seems OP could have a point. The Italian police are now starting a manslaughter investigation into the sinking.

The Temini Imerese prosecution has opened a case hypothesising the crime of shipwreck and manslaughter.
Hypothesising is the important word here.
an idea or explanation for something that is based on known facts but has not yet been proven

colliemum Sat 24-Aug-24 11:55:00

It seems OP could have a point. The Italian police are now starting a manslaughter investigation into the sinking.

fancythat Sat 24-Aug-24 11:24:30

biglouis

With what is going on in the world at present I am wondering at all this fuss because 6 very rich people die on a luxury yacht in a seastorm. At least most of the crew got away.

I get what you are saying, and I get what others on here are saying.

My take is, it is more of a "man thing".
Big boats, wealth, etc.
And media is more of a man's world, so it gets reported "well".

GrannyGravy13 Sat 24-Aug-24 10:36:21

Just heard on Radio 2 News, that the Italian Authorities are investigating with a view to manslaughter charges.

My thoughts are with those who have lost their loved ones RIP💐

Oreo Sat 24-Aug-24 09:51:23

flappergirl

My mother was friends with 2 brothers in her youth. One of the brothers died going over the handlebars of his bike on his way to school and on the very same date the following year the other brother died in exactly the same way, also cycling to school.

That’s terrible! The poor Mum.😢Almost unbelievable isn’t it?

Witzend Sat 24-Aug-24 09:46:16

Sarnia

RosesandLilac

I find it strange that there were four days of warnings about storms yet it seems that no preventative measures were taken. Or perhaps there was an assumption that all would be well….
Very sad.

Giovanni Costantino who is the CEO of the company who built the stricken yacht is blaming human error as even with the severe storm, his vessel would not sink. Now where have I heard that before?

Well, maybe it wouldn’t have - if the hatches had been closed, as they should have been.

eazybee Sat 24-Aug-24 09:38:03

One reason for the extensive coverage was the fact that six people were missing; the chef drowned as the boat sank and was retrieved immediately but it took several days to discover the bodies of the missing with the dreadful possibility they were alive but trapped in air bubbles. Another reason was the prominence of these people; all wealthy but by through their own work; charitable with their money and time and definitely not the idle rich. Finally the death of an outstandingly intelligent young girl on the brink of adulthood and the prospect of a glittering future, untimely snatched away.
The extraordinary series of coincidences have also given rise to inevitable conspiracy theories. To me this is the equivalent of a Greek tragedy unfolding in front of us; hubris, nemesis or simply terrible misfortune? But no less a tragedy because the people concerned were wealthy.

petra Sat 24-Aug-24 08:49:59

Sarnia

Quick question to GN's. The yacht is worth £30 million. I assume it was insured but will there be a pay out if it is proved that human error was responsible for the tragic accident?

It spreads further than human error. The yacht was managed by Camper Nicholson, the most globally respected yacht management company. They would have hired the crew, are they responsible?
I know 2 ( now retired ) professional yacht skippers.1 was hired by Camper Nicholson. They are very thorough.
CN are also responsible for the maintenance of the yacht. In fact, everything.

biglouis Sat 24-Aug-24 08:39:23

I think that what BigLoius is querying is does the wealth of the people who died justify the enormous amount of media coverage it is getting.

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Other people die in maritime accidents but we dont get this annoying level of media saturation. They have ceratinly got more coverage than the people who were knifed in Nottingham. But then other people may not be millionaires or the president of a major bank.

Sarnia Sat 24-Aug-24 08:35:16

Quick question to GN's. The yacht is worth £30 million. I assume it was insured but will there be a pay out if it is proved that human error was responsible for the tragic accident?

escaped Sat 24-Aug-24 08:20:36

It's a slow news week. This crops up as a rare happening. Enormous media coverage is inevitable.

MaizieD Sat 24-Aug-24 08:16:54

I think that what BigLoius is querying is does the wealth of the people who died justify the enormous amount of media coverage it is getting.

It is a terrible tragedy, but had it been a dozen people crossing the channel in a rubber dinghy would their deaths have been any less tragic? hmm

henetha Fri 23-Aug-24 23:24:14

No matter who it is we can always have human sympathy for them, can't we.

Deedaa Fri 23-Aug-24 22:15:48

My son in law spent several years working at an airfield that dealt with a lot of servicing and repairs of private planes. He always said that most accidents and near misses occurred because, having invested in their expensive status symbol, people didn't want to spend money on the upkeep. It makes you wonder how well maintained this yacht was. I also wonder why the crew hadn't made more effort to rouse the passengers. If they were preparing for the bad weather perhaps they should have moved the passengers to a place they could easily be evacuated from. It sounds like complacency.
The death of the daughter is very sad. She seems to have been a very clever girl with a great future.