Conservatives Party Leadership Race

biglouis

*In a nation of nearly 70 million people why are the Tories stuck with this shower*

And you wonder why a sizeable sub section of the population voted for a right wing party? (14.3%).

This appears to be a rising trend throughut Europe. Look at the recent German elections. Probably because they see no one who represents their views or concernes in the "two cheeks of the same ass" that are Con and Lab. The two main parties are scared of dealing with (or even discussing) mass immigration.

What's your definition of mass immigration?

Freya5

biglouis

In a nation of nearly 70 million people why are the Tories stuck with this shower

And you wonder why a sizeable sub section of the population voted for a right wing party? (14.3%).

This appears to be a rising trend throughut Europe. Look at the recent German elections. Probably because they see no one who represents their views or concernes in the "two cheeks of the same ass" that are Con and Lab. The two main parties are scared of dealing with (or even discussing) mass immigration.

Yes, very well said. Two cheeks etc, fit this shower and the last.
Where is someone who will put this country and its people before anyone else.
As Private Fraser once said, "we're doomed!".

What a pessimist!

No, we're not doomed.

biglouis

*In a nation of nearly 70 million people why are the Tories stuck with this shower*

And you wonder why a sizeable sub section of the population voted for a right wing party? (14.3%).

This appears to be a rising trend throughut Europe. Look at the recent German elections. Probably because they see no one who represents their views or concernes in the "two cheeks of the same ass" that are Con and Lab. The two main parties are scared of dealing with (or even discussing) mass immigration.

Seems to me governments have been discussing mass immigration to the detriment of everything else that needs to be fixed in this country.
Only recently Starmer was in talks with the German Chancellor and was in talks even before the election with Macron regarding how to deal with immigration as a whole, fact is the Tories pee’ed any chance of dealing with immigration effectively up the wall because of Brexit and a break down in relations with EU countries.
Just how much do you want our government to discuss this in order you ti consider they are not running scared.
Complete misinformation.

We need a healthy opposition party in a democracy and predictions of "we're doomed" imo come from those not interested in the important discussion of how to get one, who is most likely to provide it, the alternative policies etc. Just turns off more and more voters as in "no point in being involved".

Babs03

Have never supported the Tories but there has to be a strong opposition in a democracy, however, any of the above contenders does not inspire me, where are the centre right Tories who should guide the party back to its centre right moorings, at least back in the day there were real statesmen and women who behaved like grown ups. I think the Tories will be a long time in the wilderness,

Just never know, my friends who voted labour are already fed up with them & it’s only been six weeks

I used to be a Conservative voter but I am not enthused by any of those on the list above. I don't believe they will be a strong opposition to Labour and it is what we need.

I think the Tories will be a long time in the wilderness

I'd have said the same 8 weeks ago.

Not too sure about that now.

As for leaders, I think Jendrick will win. I'm rooting for Kemi though

Babs03

Have never supported the Tories but there has to be a strong opposition in a democracy, however, any of the above contenders does not inspire me, where are the centre right Tories who should guide the party back to its centre right moorings, at least back in the day there were real statesmen and women who behaved like grown ups. I think the Tories will be a long time in the wilderness,

Completely agree. Where are the 'decent' Tories that my parents voted for? Thrown out by Johnson. For there to be effective government there has to be good, strong opposition, not for the sake of it, but to discuss and debate alternatives. This group of candidates are all from the abrasive side of the party, and in my opinion, none of them will contribute anything to intelligent debate or governance.

Jenrick and Badenoch are too far right, watching the politics show one of the key things that made people feel the Tories had lost the plot was a lack of relatability inasmuch as with the cost of living crisis they just didn’t get it.
I doubt that these far right contenders who seem to only be concerned with boats of AS rather than anything else that voters worry about will go very far. We shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that it was the foaming at the mouth far right attack dogs that failed to win over the electorate, we are all tired of the same old same old.
Time for the party to remember the likes of Major, Hague, and Heseltine, not all PMs or leaders of the opposition but centre right statesmen who talked common sense rather than giving in to the populist view.

I dont understand constant references to far right, instead of just right.

Was Thatcher right or far right?
Was Churchill?

I read somewhere that no one wants uncontrolled immigration.

Mt61

Babs03

Have never supported the Tories but there has to be a strong opposition in a democracy, however, any of the above contenders does not inspire me, where are the centre right Tories who should guide the party back to its centre right moorings, at least back in the day there were real statesmen and women who behaved like grown ups. I think the Tories will be a long time in the wilderness,

Just never know, my friends who voted labour are already fed up with them & it’s only been six weeks

They are fed up with Labour?

If that is so, why?

What on earth were they expecting in 6 weeks given what they inherited M61?

Sadly agree, HPQ as in
"Completely agree. Where are the 'decent' Tories that my parents voted for? Thrown out by Johnson. For there to be effective government there has to be good, strong opposition, not for the sake of it, but to discuss and debate alternatives"

Of the ones on the list, I'd like to know more about Mel Barnes but of ones likely to be elected its a preference for Cleverley as being more centrist.

fancythat

I dont understand constant references to far right, instead of just right.

Was Thatcher right or far right?
Was Churchill?

I read somewhere that no one wants uncontrolled immigration.

The far right is a description of someone who goes along with populist views that denigrate or promote racism towards certain groups of people suggesting inhumane ways of dealing with immigration.
I don’t think that Thatcher or Churchill paid much attention to populism they may not be everyone’s cup of tea but they would certainly never have shared an ideology with the likes of Trump or Le Pen.
And of course nobody wants uncontrolled immigration but this isn’t the problem. The problem is clearing a back log of those seeking asylum, deporting those without a case and allowing those with a case to live here. It is also about improving relations with EU countries so that AS can be processed in Europe then allayed a legal route into the UK, as is presently the case with Ukrainian refugees.
In other words is government incompetence not the fault of those seeking refuge here.

Correction - allowed not allayed

Imo if they had any sense they’d choose Mel Stride who, as a lifelong Labour voter I don’t dislike in much the same way that I always rather liked Cameron and Major. I can’t get over Jenrick removing that mural for children and I think Badenoch is just plain nasty. She didn’t do her homework when she was up against Rayner the other day. Cleverly goes on about his experience in government but that’s only because, along with all the previous cabinet members in his party he had experience of so many departments because if the musical chairs that government because. And I’ll never forgive him for what he said about Stockton. To think they could have had Rory Stewart.

I liked and still like Rory.

Yes what exactly is far right

It appears to be very popular and is being thrown about far too often.

I liked Rory's speech in the House of Commons any hedgehogs

About, not any.

Rekarie

Yes what exactly is far right

It appears to be very popular and is being thrown about far too often.

Simple explanation from Huffington Post.
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/roanna-carletontaylor/what-exactly-do-we-mean-b_b_17393486.html
It’s easy to relate the guiding principles to the current parties.

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Rekarie

I liked Rory's speech in the House of Commons any hedgehogs

I haven’t heard it but I want to. It’s the most listened to parliamentary speech ever, isn’t it? I’ll try to find a link.

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You can have a word with me too, Babs03.