How about this to make the immigration problem fairer?

LR10

Asylum in Denmark is now a temporary measure rather than a path to permanent settlement. Asylum seekers who need a place of refuge are granted one for as long as their home country is unsafe, but no longer. Apparently this has drastically cut the numbers of those who seek asylum as a way to improve their economic prospects. Is that a solution that covers most bases?

Would the law in the Uk allow this?

Sago

eggplant

Sago

A young man in our City sought asylum due to his homosexuality.
He was clearly undecided as he managed to father 3 children to 3 different women.

Is he a friend, is that how you have such details?

No it was reported widely in the local and national press

For those who dispute the above post.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/15/nigerian-asylum-gay-three-children-parcel-fraud/

BigBopper

Luckygirl3

Closing borders is not an option - they will come anyway - they are desperate - what should we do? - push the boats back out to sea and leave them to drown?

When they land, put them on a ship straight away and sail them back to whence they came which usually is France. Keep returning them on a daily basis until they realise we mean business.

That’s too late. They shouldn’t be allowed to land here at all. The only way is to puncture the boats before they set off.
I know the argument will be that France has a large coastline to monitor but they have been paid millions to help the problem. If they stepped up their Police presence on shore and also on the sea they would at least stop some. Do this on a regular basis and they might take note.

BigBopper

Luckygirl3

Closing borders is not an option - they will come anyway - they are desperate - what should we do? - push the boats back out to sea and leave them to drown?

When they land, put them on a ship straight away and sail them back to whence they came which usually is France. Keep returning them on a daily basis until they realise we mean business.

A lady of my thinking

In Australia they have more or less stopped the boats but they haven’t stopped the planes and the fake papers. A different scenario because the distances are a lot greater and people were coming from the north from a poor country across a much more difficult sea passage. It was very dangerous and,really, what refugees would trouble to go all the way to PNG ? No one would come from the South!

Ramblingrose22

Another interesting rule in Denmark.

When my DS went to live there in 2013 he had to sign a form saying that he would not be a burden on the state or claim any thing from public funds for the first 5 years after his arrival.

I think he did get free hospital treatment though.

I don't know if this rule is still in place.

Britain has this rule as well - has done for years.

My niece moved to the UK with her American husband several years ago. He had to sign that he would not burden the state, could not claim benefits and has to pay over £1,000 per year to the NHS.

Sago

eggplant

Sago

A young man in our City sought asylum due to his homosexuality.
He was clearly undecided as he managed to father 3 children to 3 different women.

Is he a friend, is that how you have such details?

No it was reported widely in the local and national press

Must be true then!

Luckygirl3

Closing borders is not an option - they will come anyway - they are desperate - what should we do? - push the boats back out to sea and leave them to drown?

Puncture the boats before they even get in the water. It won’t be easy but if they do about 6 the message will get through.

I think the tide has turned on this issue.

Wyllow3

We can't do that - France would have to agree to accept, it would be a hostile act of aggression in international law. If such a simple solution were ever feasible, it would have been done in 2020 and 2021 when returning the boats options were discussed widely before Rwanda was cooked up.

Such a simple idea that would probably work. If the French government are also interested in saving more drownings in the English channel then why would it be seen as an act of aggression.

Luckygirl3 my feelings exactly!

Yes I think I am right in saying Denmarks government is 'left' economically but 'right' socially. It's interesting to watch.

eggplant

Sago

A young man in our City sought asylum due to his homosexuality.
He was clearly undecided as he managed to father 3 children to 3 different women.

Is he a friend, is that how you have such details?

No it was reported widely in the local and national press

We can't do that - France would have to agree to accept, it would be a hostile act of aggression in international law. If such a simple solution were ever feasible, it would have been done in 2020 and 2021 when returning the boats options were discussed widely before Rwanda was cooked up.

Allira

Sorry - Someone who marries a British citizen ---

There is no automatic right of a spouse to UK citizenship from any other country, India, Australia, China or the US the rules are the same, it’s not easy.

Luckygirl3

Closing borders is not an option - they will come anyway - they are desperate - what should we do? - push the boats back out to sea and leave them to drown?

When they land, put them on a ship straight away and sail them back to whence they came which usually is France. Keep returning them on a daily basis until they realise we mean business.

LR10

Asylum in Denmark is now a temporary measure rather than a path to permanent settlement. Asylum seekers who need a place of refuge are granted one for as long as their home country is unsafe, but no longer. Apparently this has drastically cut the numbers of those who seek asylum as a way to improve their economic prospects. Is that a solution that covers most bases?

BUT we are not getting Asylum seekers, we are getting immigrants nearly all men that have come from France. If these people needed help they would stay in France but no, they come over in boats because the grass is greener over here and they get free everything.

Sago

A young man in our City sought asylum due to his homosexuality.
He was clearly undecided as he managed to father 3 children to 3 different women.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🥰🤣🤣

Sorry - Someone who marries a British citizen ---

Babs03

This seems perfectly reasonable. And am pretty certain asylum seekers would welcome it because they really would rather return home. But there are some issues with this that I can see immediately. I mean some AS from countries like Iran will probs never be able to return because the regime is pretty strong despite various protests by the people. And imagine if an AS gets married to a British passport holder, has children, trains, and is working in the NHS etc., would it then be counter productive to send this person home?
But does sound better than some other measures being circulated on here.

Someone who marries a British has no automstic right to stay here now. They can apply after five years, I believe.

We know two people who have married people from overseas, one has married a refugee and even changing her name to his surname requires a complicated legal process.

Marriage does not confer citizenship but a spouse visa can be issued for a limited time.

Sago

A young man in our City sought asylum due to his homosexuality.
He was clearly undecided as he managed to father 3 children to 3 different women.

Is he a friend, is that how you have such details?

Asylum here isn’t always for life or permanent.

Closing borders is not an option - they will come anyway - they are desperate - what should we do? - push the boats back out to sea and leave them to drown?

The OP’s post is the only sensible solution.

GrannyGravy13

I have just read that Germany is closing its borders, needs must.

But would that actually work we are surrounded by water and that doesn't deter people