How about this to make the immigration problem fairer?

Maritime Laws are internationally negotiated and agreed, not by national countries.

Well said mum2three it breaks my heart to read some of these threads. The asylum seekers are human beings some good (mostly) some bad!

The bottom line tho is that France have no real incentive to stop them as it gets them away from France.

France needs to pass a new maritime law asap with regard to people smuggling gangs and inflatables.

Allsorts

Why can't the boats be taken or damaged in France so they cannot sail. I suppose that's too easy to consider.

Sky news, June. (I've used this before for the same query)

"One problem now is that many boats don't actually land on the beach. They come round and stay out on the sea and people wade out to get on them.

"Boat launches happen quickly these days. Smugglers have worked out that it's much more efficient to launch the boat elsewhere and bring it round to the beach, allowing your passengers to run into the water and clamber aboard.

And, under maritime law, there's not much the French police can do to get involved.

They're not allowed to enter the water to stop a boat that hasn't asked for help and, well, it's not illegal for migrants to run into the water"

(Sky news has reported that yes, whenever possible boats that come close to the shore are punctured, but its a cat and mouse game - its a long coastline and patrols cant always get there in time)

Over 1,000 this week in November they say.I really don’t know where they can put them all.

Allsorts

I can't see why at thread cannot be resurrected if it's still relevant.

I agree.
If it’s years and years ago that’s prob different but this one seems to be an ongoing thread and is topical.

Allsorts

I can't see why at thread cannot be resurrected if it's still relevant.

I totally agree….

Meant to add that French police need to do as much as possible to puncture the boats and arrest the smugglers on the beach.I read somewhere that they were often put off doing this as the smugglers can be really violent, but could they use the army to assist in these confrontations?

I’m sure there are many ways to try and circumvent the immigration rules, there have been false claims of homosexuality and also conversion to other faiths found to be untrue upon investigation.
I don’t know what the answer is to stop the small boats arrivals from France but those that do make it here should be treated well and the whole process speeded up so that only the genuine asylum seekers are granted refugee status.

Interesting to note that today's edition (17.11.2024) of the Sunday Telegraph contains an article referring to asylum seekers' 'fake claims around their sexual orientation to game ECHR system' and specifically mentions Saheed Azeez, who claimed asylum in Britain because he feared death on account of his homosexuality from Boko Harum. He was found to have fathered three children on three different women, marrying the third, and was later sentenced to five years imprisonment for a parcel fraud scam. He now claims to be bisexual.

I have always thought it would be better to grant refugee status to those fleeing unstable countries. It should be understood that they will return home when things change for the better, which eventually they will do.
Meanwhile, they must find work and support themselves. Deportation will be the Damocles sword for all who commit crimes.

I can't see why at thread cannot be resurrected if it's still relevant.

Why can't the boats be taken or damaged in France so they cannot sail. I suppose that's too easy to consider.

WI think Denark sysrem fair. Why don't people living here learn the language, yet they drive, how can that be safe? To settle here, they need to pass a citizenship criteria, get a job otherwise it's temporary.

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Cossy

Bigbopper

A small majority of AS are economic migrants, many have links with England, many speak English as a second language, many come from Syria and Afghanistan.

There were women and children on the last boat which sank.

What we need is a quick, efficient and effective way of processing them, better agreements with the French, a way to stop the traffickers and safe ways for people to enter and seek asylum.

Simply quoting ring wing press to prove a point doesn’t really cut it here.

There are people on here who’ve worked with refugees over the years and pretty recently.

Exactly.

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Mt61

Pensioners are going to freeze, these migrants will be getting a free heat for sure

You've resurrected a thread that's been dead since 08/10! I always wonder why someone does this rather than start a new thread with a more relevant title. Just musing and not trying to tell anyone what is allowed, just curious.

31,000 have arrived this year on small boats. There seems to be no end to it.

It’s very, very sad that these people are risking their lives but unfortunately they are being encouraged to come by the lure of nice hotels, phones, pocket money & goodness knows what else?

ronib

What we need biglouisis for the inmates not to be in charge of the asylum…….

What does that mean in real terms?

Pensioners are going to freeze, these migrants will be getting a free heat for sure

Freya I don't think you read my post just a little upthread, Thu 19-Sep-24 20:41:29, as regards what happens if a small boat runs into trouble at sea, which I backed up with a detailed Sky news article:

if they capsize/in serious danger in French Waters, they are returned to France by French : if they capsize/in serious danger in UK waters they are brought to the UK by UK