Sick of Starmer relentlessly using the words"difficult " & "painful"

MissA did you study feudalism?

How are the public paying for Alli donating his own money to the .labour party?
I genuinely don't know.

obviously

"Lively too, as "Police were called to the home of Boris Johnson and his partner, Carrie Symonds, in the early hours of Friday morning after neighbours heard a loud altercation involving screaming, shouting and banging" 21st June.."

I remember that clearly; the altercation was recorded, apparently through the wall, then posted on line. Some people actually listened to it, to a private argument, illicitly recorded, the same type of people who listened to the private calls of Charles and Diana, and obvioussly Labour supporters .
Strange then they seem unable, or unwilling, to understand the criticism of Starmer and his inept handling of current issues of fuel allowance and ridiculous pay rises to unions, underlined by increasing revelations of large gifts of money, clothes, tickets and holidays. Not to fight an election. Or was Rayner's trip to stay in Waheed Alli's flat in America over last Christmas part of election expenses?
Not at all what was promised.

We are paying for that through NI and taxation in various forms.
A long series of emails to IPSA, asking how government/MPs are funded, even asking questions requiring yes/no answers, eventually revealed that fact,
but my goodness the way they avoided actually saying that for the first few emails would qualify them for being an MP.
And before I get jumped on again, that applies to all MPs from all parties.

She did say it has come to notice because it has been declared.

I don't care really; certain jobs have more perks than others, so nothing new there.

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Sue Grey the PM’s aide gets paid more than the Sir Starmer, and is a firm friend of Waheed Ali.

It’s not all ok tho and we all know this in our hearts.

TerriBull

I think it's always surprising when a politician who has substantial means are willing to let a third party pay for what is essentially personal stuff like glasses, does Lord Alli also pay for the Starmer underpants too I'm wondering. After all that rhetoric about decent above board politics returning blah blah, the optics of some Machiavellian sycophant providing our PM and his wife with clothing and other freebies, to presumably have his ear and access to stalk the the corridors of power for whatever reason is as unpalatable as David Cameron telling us it was his intention to do away with lobbyists, and then come back as one himself. Same old! same old! it's the political class, once they're in that's it, all the "it's going to be different" goes out the window. I mean what would be wrong with saying to Lord Alli or any other donor, "I'm going to raffle the Taylor Swift/Coldplay/football tickets and give the money raised to a charity. Keeping all this stuff for their own use, at best makes them appear tight wads, at worst just grabby. All at a time when so many people are going to be detrimentally affected by the removal of the WFA. .

I saw Emily Thornberry on Sky News this morning being interviewed by Kay Burley about Starmer and his wife being clothed by Lord Alli. She said she couldn’t see anything wrong with it. She said he is our PM and representing our country so needs to look the part. KB asked why his wife also accepted all this stuff and ET just blustered through as she normally does saying it was all OK.

I think it's always surprising when a politician who has substantial means are willing to let a third party pay for what is essentially personal stuff like glasses, does Lord Alli also pay for the Starmer underpants too I'm wondering. After all that rhetoric about decent above board politics returning blah blah, the optics of some Machiavellian sycophant providing our PM and his wife with clothing and other freebies, to presumably have his ear and access to stalk the the corridors of power for whatever reason is as unpalatable as David Cameron telling us it was his intention to do away with lobbyists, and then come back as one himself. Same old! same old! it's the political class, once they're in that's it, all the "it's going to be different" goes out the window. I mean what would be wrong with saying to Lord Alli or any other donor, "I'm going to raffle the Taylor Swift/Coldplay/football tickets and give the money raised to a charity. Keeping all this stuff for their own use, at best makes them appear tight wads, at worst just grabby. All at a time when so many people are going to be detrimentally affected by the removal of the WFA. .

Mollygo

MayBee70

I’ve lost track of the timeline but wasn’t Johnson pretty tied up sorting out his divorce when he became PM and it was soon after that that he illegally tried to prorogue parliament? Starmer is going to get his act together if he wants to outdo Johnson’s mistakes. People have very short memories when it comes to the way the previous government with its various leaders behaved. Imo

Why does this excuse keep appearing?
People don’t have short memories. The justified criticism of some of what the previous government or its PMs did, doesn’t make everything Starmer and his government are doing, right.

People’s memories are sharper because they remember what it was like and they expected better of this government, no matter how long it has been in power.

They also know, because of all the publicity, about the gifts and other unacceptable things that went on and are more aware of any such incidences occurring now.

Two wrongs do not make a right!

I expected more from Sir Starmer, so far I am disappointed.

£76,000 is what I have seen, and that is more than any other labour leader to date.

Despite all the cries of the right wing press trying their best to discredit Starmer, The Guardian headline today informs us that he has accepted £100,000 of freebies, more than any other party leader.

MayBee70

I’ve lost track of the timeline but wasn’t Johnson pretty tied up sorting out his divorce when he became PM and it was soon after that that he illegally tried to prorogue parliament? Starmer is going to get his act together if he wants to outdo Johnson’s mistakes. People have very short memories when it comes to the way the previous government with its various leaders behaved. Imo

Why does this excuse keep appearing?
People don’t have short memories. The justified criticism of some of what the previous government or its PMs did, doesn’t make everything Starmer and his government are doing, right.

People’s memories are sharper because they remember what it was like and they expected better of this government, no matter how long it has been in power.

They also know, because of all the publicity, about the gifts and other unacceptable things that went on and are more aware of any such incidences occurring now.

eazybee

Starmer does seem to have a limited vocabulary, and the belief that if something is repeated enough times it becomes true.

Well, he’s not alone in that - unfortunately, the practice of politicians saying things repeatedly to get them into the voters’ heads, regardless of whether they are seems to have grown over the last 15 - 20 years!

MissAdventure

*sharon103*,

I don't use any particular technique, I just poke any seeds or pips into the earth and water gently.

I regrow lettuces, onions, and things like that by standing the cut off bit in water until it roots, then potting on.

It's been the worst year, though, with the wind, rain, and the two little darlings opposite and it's all a mess, really.

I have no idea where those melon plants can go when winter arrives, for example, or the tomatoes.

That's interesting MissAdventure. I'll try that next year.
Thanks very much.

Yes, Johnson became PM in 24 July 2019 and tried to prorogue parliament 28th august 2019. It was oven ready time.

Lively too, as "Police were called to the home of Boris Johnson and his partner, Carrie Symonds, in the early hours of Friday morning after neighbours heard a loud altercation involving screaming, shouting and banging" 21st June.....

I’ve lost track of the timeline but wasn’t Johnson pretty tied up sorting out his divorce when he became PM and it was soon after that that he illegally tried to prorogue parliament? Starmer is going to get his act together if he wants to outdo Johnson’s mistakes. People have very short memories when it comes to the way the previous government with its various leaders behaved. Imo

MissAdventure

That may be to do with the amount of time in power, I think, quite apart from anything else.

A valid comparison would be taking the first 9/10 weeks when BJ came into power not 5 years.

MissAdventure

That may be to do with the amount of time in power, I think, quite apart from anything else.

Exactly. But I can’t see how anybody can have missed all the complaints and criticism of the previous government and various ministers thereof.

That may be to do with the amount of time in power, I think, quite apart from anything else.

But the amount of criticism in the press and social media seems to exceed how much there is when there’s a Conservative government

Really? The plethora of complaints about the Conservative government and its various leaders far exceeds anything that’s been said about Starmer &Co so far.

eazybee

Starmer and his supporters have spent the last five years criticizing every aspect of the previous government while portraying themselves as paragons of virtue. I really did expect the advent of the New Puritans, Right but Repulsive.

No surprise then, at Starmer's spectacular fall from grace as he does exactly, and so speedily, what he attacked the Conservatives for. And it will keep on appearing on social media, just as Labour did.

I seem to remember Labour espxpelling some of their MP’s during that time so don’t understand the accusation of portraying themselves of paragons of virtue ( mind you during that time how many Conservative MP’s were discredited for various misdemeanours only to be then reinstated in the cabinet). And, as I keep pointing out, Keir has always said he will never oppose for the sake of opposing but will always do what he thinks is in the best interest of the country.

eazybee

Starmer and his supporters have spent the last five years criticizing every aspect of the previous government while portraying themselves as paragons of virtue. I really did expect the advent of the New Puritans, Right but Repulsive.

No surprise then, at Starmer's spectacular fall from grace as he does exactly, and so speedily, what he attacked the Conservatives for. And it will keep on appearing on social media, just as Labour did.

But why do we hear nothing on the opposition? Are they doing anything at all? (excerpt electing a new leader, and there is precious little on that).

ronib

Another 1 million are eligible to claim pension credit?? Dead right it’s not accurate Casdon

I took it that the savings on WFP are additional income for the government, whereas you assumed that the savings would be used to offset the rise in pension credit claims?

It’s 880,000 households (as opposed to individuals) according to government figures.

Not all will claim, even when eligible.

Pension credit payments are staggered depending on the claimants total income, most claimants will get less, particularly as the most vulnerable are more likely to already be claiming.

There has to be a reserve already in DWP for the unclaimed pension credit, this isn’t a new issue.

If a million households claim £3,800 (average, guess) and 9.4 million pay £250 each on average from the WFP then it would take WFP being taken from 14 households to pay one household pension credit, but in reality it won’t work like that because there will be less claimants, less than average payments, and as existing older pensioners die the tipping point for post 2016 pensioners will mean less are eligible for pension credit.

The important issue for me though is not the cost, but that the poorest pensioners will be supported, it will reduce pensioner poverty when more claim pension credit. That is where the focus should be.