What do you hope for in the budget?

Mollygo

Rude, so you use it in your reply. Equally
rude, then add on about -presumably your own choice of rude. 😂😂😂
All those already getting around £200 less per month will know what I meant. I’m sorry if you didn’t.

Well I’m going to ask politely!

Please can you explain? I don’t know what you’re “wittering” on about?

Cossy

Mollygo

Rude, so you use it in your reply. Equally
rude, then add on about -presumably your own choice of rude. 😂😂😂
All those already getting around £200 less per month will know what I meant. I’m sorry if you didn’t.

Well I’m going to ask politely!

Please can you explain? I don’t know what you’re “wittering” on about?

I'm asking politely too.

Doodledog How are we back on this on a thread about what people hope to see in the budget?

Not much longer, we'll read the budget.

Allira

Lydie45

Are you actually calling people who look after their own children ‘free loaders’ 😡

Probably. Ignoring the fact that they had no-one or no facilities to care for their children and felt they were doing a good job in bringing up their own children to be responsible future citizens and taxpayers.

As an aside - everyone seems to be claiming that the money not being given to pensioners (it's not being taken from them as it wasn't theirs in the first place)
What do you mean by that? Was it a gift? No.
It is a reduction in income which was expected for at least the coming year.
Scrooge politics.

Not often noted there weren't facilities to care for children years ago, of course people stayed home, raised responsible future citizens.

Or perhaps the facilities only existed in urban areas?

I would like council tax to be doubled on second and subsequent homes. I would like the tax threshold raised for those who still went into work during lockdown because they are the essential workers that need rewarding and supported. I would like penalties put on people who live and pay tax abroad but still have houses lying empty here.

Mollygo

^If only your posts didn't drip with the hypocrisy you claim to despise so much, Molly.^
But hypocrisy is just what I see in many of your posts Doodle. I learnt from your expertise.
Re the approximate £200 less per month, if you don’t know, then you are obviously not affected, so enjoy it.

I'll not sink to the level of 'I'm not but you are', but it's soooo tempting. . .

I may be affected - how can I tell when I have no idea what you are witt. . . suggesting?

It seems I'm not alone.

Norah

Doodledog How are we back on this on a thread about what people hope to see in the budget?

Not much longer, we'll read the budget.

I understand why the government has waited to launch (is that the right word?) the budget, but the delay has been very destructive. I assume they announced the WFP means-test to give people at least some chance to budget for it, but it has been really damaging for them.

As you say though, all will be revealed very soon.

Norah

Allira

Lydie45

Are you actually calling people who look after their own children ‘free loaders’ 😡

Probably. Ignoring the fact that they had no-one or no facilities to care for their children and felt they were doing a good job in bringing up their own children to be responsible future citizens and taxpayers.

As an aside - everyone seems to be claiming that the money not being given to pensioners (it's not being taken from them as it wasn't theirs in the first place)
What do you mean by that? Was it a gift? No.
It is a reduction in income which was expected for at least the coming year.
Scrooge politics.

Not often noted there weren't facilities to care for children years ago, of course people stayed home, raised responsible future citizens.

Or perhaps the facilities only existed in urban areas?

Well, I lived in the suburbs of a city and childcare meant playgroups from the age of 3 - with one paid leader and mothers taking it in turns to volunteer.
There was a babysitting group amongst the Mums for which you earned and could spend tokens.
There were no nurseries such as there are now.

Allira

Norah

Allira

Lydie45

Are you actually calling people who look after their own children ‘free loaders’ 😡

Probably. Ignoring the fact that they had no-one or no facilities to care for their children and felt they were doing a good job in bringing up their own children to be responsible future citizens and taxpayers.

As an aside - everyone seems to be claiming that the money not being given to pensioners (it's not being taken from them as it wasn't theirs in the first place)
What do you mean by that? Was it a gift? No.
It is a reduction in income which was expected for at least the coming year.
Scrooge politics.

Not often noted there weren't facilities to care for children years ago, of course people stayed home, raised responsible future citizens.

Or perhaps the facilities only existed in urban areas?

Well, I lived in the suburbs of a city and childcare meant playgroups from the age of 3 - with one paid leader and mothers taking it in turns to volunteer.
There was a babysitting group amongst the Mums for which you earned and could spend tokens.
There were no nurseries such as there are now.

Added to that, of course, Norah, was the marriage bar, where married women had to give up their job. It was officially lifted in some professions but in fact unofficially continued until the 1970s. Married women were disadvantaged too, did not get jobs or promotion because they were told they would probably leave to start a family.

I don't think some younger women realise how hard women in that era fought for the rights their daughters and granddaughters take for granted.

of course people stayed home, raised responsible future citizens.
That too. There is no shame whatsoever in doing that and no-one should be made to feel shame or to be disadvantaged because that is what they chose to do or were in fact forced to do because of lack of childcare.

I lived in a semi-rural area in 1992, when my daughter was born. I went back to work full-time when she was nearly six months old and she went to nursery full-time. There were at least two nurseries near where I lived.

My mother went back to work full-time when I was 10. My sisters were 7 and 4. My younger sister went to a private school for a year. My other sister and I were 'latchkey kids' and our younger sister joined us when she started primary school, when she was 5.

My mother had always been a 'latchkey kid' because her father deserted the family when she was a baby and her mother was as ingle parent.

growstuff

I lived in a semi-rural area in 1992, when my daughter was born. I went back to work full-time when she was nearly six months old and she went to nursery full-time. There were at least two nurseries near where I lived.

That's a generation after my first child was born!

Which rather proves my point.

My mother worked part-time too. I remember going to work with her when I was about 4.

With regard to the budget, I just wish they would get on with it.
This big build -up is giving the pretentious Rachel Reeves far more importance than she warrants.

growstuff

My mother went back to work full-time when I was 10. My sisters were 7 and 4. My younger sister went to a private school for a year. My other sister and I were 'latchkey kids' and our younger sister joined us when she started primary school, when she was 5.

My mother had always been a 'latchkey kid' because her father deserted the family when she was a baby and her mother was as ingle parent.

So your mother was at home for a few years?

As was I, apart from an evening job when the older ones were 6 and 4, and before I became pregnant again.
Then when the last one was 5 I went on a retraining course.

We juggled as best we could but, unless we left our babies home alone and went back to work, we were free loaders

eazybee

With regard to the budget, I just wish they would get on with it.
This big build -up is giving the pretentious Rachel Reeves far more importance than she warrants.

Has there ever been such anticipation? 😁

I hope VAT stays the same or is reduced.
Increasing it, as a local businessman discussed with us the other day, would do nothing to stimulate the economy.

Nobody has called anyone 'freeloaders' 🙄

Yet again, with a vague but angry post, people are left to wonder who is the one to cause offence - it's such bad posting form - but in case it refers to my comment about scrapping NI for people who stay at home with school age children, I did not and would not call anyone a freeloader. I was saying that I would scrap the benefit, as the country needs more people to produce goods and services, and to pay towards pensions and so on.

We can't expect full payments etc paid for by other people, and nor can we continue with a system where those who can afford to stay at home are subsidised by those who can't. It is not sustainable and it is not fair.

That is not saying that those who did have that subsidy were 'freeloaders' - it was another poster who used that term, not me. It is not saying that anyone should have done anything in the past - people do what seems right in the conditions of the time they do them. It is saying that one of the things I would change is to pay the pensions of people who are at home when their children are at school. There is no need for the defensiveness.

Allira

Norah

Allira

Lydie45

Are you actually calling people who look after their own children ‘free loaders’ 😡

Probably. Ignoring the fact that they had no-one or no facilities to care for their children and felt they were doing a good job in bringing up their own children to be responsible future citizens and taxpayers.

As an aside - everyone seems to be claiming that the money not being given to pensioners (it's not being taken from them as it wasn't theirs in the first place)
What do you mean by that? Was it a gift? No.
It is a reduction in income which was expected for at least the coming year.
Scrooge politics.

Not often noted there weren't facilities to care for children years ago, of course people stayed home, raised responsible future citizens.

Or perhaps the facilities only existed in urban areas?

Well, I lived in the suburbs of a city and childcare meant playgroups from the age of 3 - with one paid leader and mothers taking it in turns to volunteer.
There was a babysitting group amongst the Mums for which you earned and could spend tokens.
There were no nurseries such as there are now.

Indeed.

Nurseries, playgroups are all still far and few in rural areas. IME. There were no facilities, in fens, when our children were born.

Never a need to assume everyone lives the same.

. . . . one of the things I would change is to*stop paying* the pensions of people who are at home when their children are at school. (in case that is not obvious)

Doodledog

Nobody has called anyone 'freeloaders' 🙄

Yet again, with a vague but angry post, people are left to wonder who is the one to cause offence - it's such bad posting form - but in case it refers to my comment about scrapping NI for people who stay at home with school age children, I did not and would not call anyone a freeloader. I was saying that I would scrap the benefit, as the country needs more people to produce goods and services, and to pay towards pensions and so on.

We can't expect full payments etc paid for by other people, and nor can we continue with a system where those who can afford to stay at home are subsidised by those who can't. It is not sustainable and it is not fair.

That is not saying that those who did have that subsidy were 'freeloaders' - it was another poster who used that term, not me. It is not saying that anyone should have done anything in the past - people do what seems right in the conditions of the time they do them. It is saying that one of the things I would change is to pay the pensions of people who are at home when their children are at school. There is no need for the defensiveness.

Agreed. You said nothing wrong.

It was a different world then, Norah.
Women's Lib was in its infancy.

Women went to work during the war years but had to give up their jobs when the men returned. Attitudes were different It took decades for this to change.

Of course many women went to work but if they did it was often part-time, low wages, possibly not enough to pay NI anyway. The women were the breadwinners, women's wages were lower even if they did the same job.

The men were the breadwinners.

Quite different now as women are often left supporting their families and Equality Laws have been passed.

Norah

Doodledog

Nobody has called anyone 'freeloaders' 🙄

Yet again, with a vague but angry post, people are left to wonder who is the one to cause offence - it's such bad posting form - but in case it refers to my comment about scrapping NI for people who stay at home with school age children, I did not and would not call anyone a freeloader. I was saying that I would scrap the benefit, as the country needs more people to produce goods and services, and to pay towards pensions and so on.

We can't expect full payments etc paid for by other people, and nor can we continue with a system where those who can afford to stay at home are subsidised by those who can't. It is not sustainable and it is not fair.

That is not saying that those who did have that subsidy were 'freeloaders' - it was another poster who used that term, not me. It is not saying that anyone should have done anything in the past - people do what seems right in the conditions of the time they do them. It is saying that one of the things I would change is to pay the pensions of people who are at home when their children are at school. There is no need for the defensiveness.

Agreed. You said nothing wrong.

I didn't say you used thst term.

I am not at all defensive.
I just tried to explain to those who may have been children then that things were quite different in 1960s and early 70s than they were even in the 1990s.

Thanks Norah.

Allira when people post vague things without quoting or referencing who said what (AKA 'some people' posts) it tends to get everyone who may have commented feeling defensive, which is why I felt the need to clarify my position. The poster who used the term may or may not have been referring to me, but as she didn't say one way or the other it's impossible to tell.

Allira

It was a different world then, Norah.
Women's Lib was in its infancy.

Women went to work during the war years but had to give up their jobs when the men returned. Attitudes were different It took decades for this to change.

Of course many women went to work but if they did it was often part-time, low wages, possibly not enough to pay NI anyway. The women were the breadwinners, women's wages were lower even if they did the same job.

Of course.

Perhaps there may be someone not aware - most of us know.

Unfortunately, some women are still paid less than men.