What do you hope for in the budget?

ronib

Cossy and the problem of school children on buses has worsened. I witnessed a group of children trying to physically overturn a bus in London. The public needs more protection now.

That’s very much a mi Oriya, sadly there’s always been “feral” children and rubbish parents, do you not remember Borstals? I genuinely do not believe children and parents are any worse now than they were 50 years ago.

Sorry, let’s agree to disagree on this one.

ronib

Doodledog you have a fixed idea that non working parents are funded by those who don’t work. In a partnership, the family budget is arranged to the benefit of the family unit. One partner may earn even more than Keir Starmer for example and the other partner may choose to stay at home and support the family that way, or combine with part time work. Stay at home mothers are usually supported by working husbands.

No, husbands pay tax and NI based on their own earnings, not the potential earnings of their wives (and vice versa). There is no mechanism whereby one person can pay the contributions of another. Also, working people produce goods or provide services to society which those who stay at home do not. Those who have to work are forced to pay for those who choose not to, which is something I would like to see changed, so that more people can make genuine choices as opposed to some lifestyles being prioritised over others.

But as I say, that’s a small part of what I would like to see the budget address, and I am keen to hear positive ideas from others rather than complaints about what might happen.

Cossy okay. I am always more vulnerable when out with my 4 year old….

Doidledog The State pays NI contributions for stay at home mothers until a child is 18 years old? Or do you want to stop that?

What is "the change that Britain voted for? Does anyone know? Wish someone would ask Starmer to explain the soundbite, because I suspect he could not do so.

Ooops soz Should read much in the minority! (If only we had an Edit/correction button! )

ronib

Cossy okay. I am always more vulnerable when out with my 4 year old….

As I said, we just need to agree to disagree.

I really think that parents and young people get a really bum wrap these days.

I absolutely agree NO ONE should feel vulnerable in their own areas.

Doodledog

When I’m on my phone I can’t always use the quote facility but in reply to Mt61 above, I also would like to see everyone have to contribute to society in the form of work and taxation. I have also said on this thread that it is wrong that employers get subsidies from working taxpayers that allow them to keep staff on low hours so they don’t have to pay NI or a living wage. It is also wrong that some have to work 40 hours to earn what others get in subsidies when working half of that. It creates divisions and resentments that allow governments and the media to play one group against another.

...also would like to see everyone have to contribute to society in the form of work and taxation

The problem with that is - it's like a form of Communism.

And it takes away personal freedom.

It might seem OK on paper, but I don't think it would work. Everyone, metaphorically, has to pick up a shovel and go to work for a prescribed number of years, either paid or voluntary.

Can you see the very wealthy elite taking part in this?

We'd have to completely restructure society in order for this to happen, to one of state-control.

ronib

Doidledog The State pays NI contributions for stay at home mothers until a child is 18 years old? Or do you want to stop that?

They only pay NI if you have Child credit (old family allowance) up to the age of 12 only.

Visgirl1 interesting as the age limit was 18. So some savings there for any government.
Wouldn’t it be great if mothers hoping to return to work could be given guidance and free training to re-enter the workforce? Or does this happen at the moment?

ronib

Doidledog The State pays NI contributions for stay at home mothers until a child is 18 years old? Or do you want to stop that?

No, it's until they are 12. And yes, I want to stop that.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

What is "the change that Britain voted for? Does anyone know? Wish someone would ask Starmer to explain the soundbite, because I suspect he could not do so.

Fair enough, but nothing to do with the budget. There are many threads expressing dissatisfaction - can this one please be kept for suggestions about the budget? Posts don't have to agree with me, or be something the current government is likely to do, but I'd really like to hear what would make people happy, rather than yet more moans about what they don't like.

Cossy

ronib

Cossy okay. I am always more vulnerable when out with my 4 year old….

As I said, we just need to agree to disagree.

I really think that parents and young people get a really bum wrap these days.

I absolutely agree NO ONE should feel vulnerable in their own areas.

I agree too.

But unless people are saying that the police should get more funding in the budget, that is really for a different thread.

Doodledog maybe you were unable to nurture and be a stay at home mother? Have you costed extra child care provision into your aim to stop families from organising a home life which is affordable to them?

Dickens

Doodledog

When I’m on my phone I can’t always use the quote facility but in reply to Mt61 above, I also would like to see everyone have to contribute to society in the form of work and taxation. I have also said on this thread that it is wrong that employers get subsidies from working taxpayers that allow them to keep staff on low hours so they don’t have to pay NI or a living wage. It is also wrong that some have to work 40 hours to earn what others get in subsidies when working half of that. It creates divisions and resentments that allow governments and the media to play one group against another.

...also would like to see everyone have to contribute to society in the form of work and taxation

The problem with that is - it's like a form of Communism.

And it takes away personal freedom.

It might seem OK on paper, but I don't think it would work. Everyone, metaphorically, has to pick up a shovel and go to work for a prescribed number of years, either paid or voluntary.

Can you see the very wealthy elite taking part in this?

We'd have to completely restructure society in order for this to happen, to one of state-control.

A form of Communism? Isn't communism an absolute?

I'm not remotely communist. I believe that we should all benefit from our own work and be able to keep our savings, but I also object to state support for some lifestyles over others, particularly when the result of those policies is that the poor are forced to support the better off.

Nobody should be forced to pick up a shovel, but equally, nobody should be able to choose to take from society in the form of NHS care, education, roads, defence etc etc at others' expense. How is that fair?

Doodledog I think the raid on vat and private schools will not result in 6500 extra teachers as in the next budget. So maybe spend it on providing school transport to protect the public and to teach some discipline to the feral children in State schools? BTW the private schools are a world apart in this respect and I think it’s time the State taught real consideration and respect for others.

ronib

Doodledog maybe you were unable to nurture and be a stay at home mother? Have you costed extra child care provision into your aim to stop families from organising a home life which is affordable to them?

I was perfectly able to nurture my children. My personal circumstances are irrelevant though - I am also perfectly capable of thinking beyond my own four walls.

ronib

Doodledog I think the raid on vat and private schools will not result in 6500 extra teachers as in the next budget. So maybe spend it on providing school transport to protect the public and to teach some discipline to the feral children in State schools? BTW the private schools are a world apart in this respect and I think it’s time the State taught real consideration and respect for others.

Ok, you would like to see free transport to state schools in the budget. And maybe more money for state schools to support a citizenship agenda?

Great - some positive ideas. Keep them coming?

Doodledog glad to hear it. So what extra child care support is needed if you are forcing mothers into paid work as opposed to unpaid slavery?

I am not forcing anyone to do anything 🙄

I am saying what I would like to see in the budget instead of complaining about what I have read, heard or suppose might possibly happen.

Well if forcing mothers to go to work when they would rather be at home isn’t what you want, why are you suggesting it in essence? Doodledog

I don’t think there will be any good news for the ordinary folk ,they will continue to be punished for the last governments mess while energy bosses will continue with the rises and take massive profits and large companies will be subsidised to provide jobs while hiking their profits and avoiding tax .
It’s such a mess and Labour are following the tories on the same austerity route by blaming the wrong people.

All actions have consequences

I don't mind the idea of the state paying NI contributions for mothers who want to stay at home to bring up their children.
If a man is earning enough for the mother of his children not to take paid work outside the home (I think bringing up children is valuable work, just not paid) he will be earning quite a high salary and his tax and NI payments will also be high. Perhaps greater than the joint contributions of a low paid couple.

I like the idea of children having a diverse range of upbringings, not all from nurseries, particularly when nurseries are regulated by the Government. I think this will give a more balanced population.

ronib

Doodledog maybe you were unable to nurture and be a stay at home mother? Have you costed extra child care provision into your aim to stop families from organising a home life which is affordable to them?

I find that a bit insulting!

Many of us working mum’s nurtured our children, there’s plenty of evidence of “stay at home” mums not nurturing their children!