What do you hope for in the budget?

growstuff

I lived in a semi-rural area in 1992, when my daughter was born. I went back to work full-time when she was nearly six months old and she went to nursery full-time. There were at least two nurseries near where I lived.

That's a generation after my first child was born!

Which rather proves my point.

My mother went back to work full-time when I was 10. My sisters were 7 and 4. My younger sister went to a private school for a year. My other sister and I were 'latchkey kids' and our younger sister joined us when she started primary school, when she was 5.

My mother had always been a 'latchkey kid' because her father deserted the family when she was a baby and her mother was as ingle parent.

I lived in a semi-rural area in 1992, when my daughter was born. I went back to work full-time when she was nearly six months old and she went to nursery full-time. There were at least two nurseries near where I lived.

Allira

Norah

Allira

Lydie45

Are you actually calling people who look after their own children ‘free loaders’ 😡

Probably. Ignoring the fact that they had no-one or no facilities to care for their children and felt they were doing a good job in bringing up their own children to be responsible future citizens and taxpayers.

As an aside - everyone seems to be claiming that the money not being given to pensioners (it's not being taken from them as it wasn't theirs in the first place)
What do you mean by that? Was it a gift? No.
It is a reduction in income which was expected for at least the coming year.
Scrooge politics.

Not often noted there weren't facilities to care for children years ago, of course people stayed home, raised responsible future citizens.

Or perhaps the facilities only existed in urban areas?

Well, I lived in the suburbs of a city and childcare meant playgroups from the age of 3 - with one paid leader and mothers taking it in turns to volunteer.
There was a babysitting group amongst the Mums for which you earned and could spend tokens.
There were no nurseries such as there are now.

Added to that, of course, Norah, was the marriage bar, where married women had to give up their job. It was officially lifted in some professions but in fact unofficially continued until the 1970s. Married women were disadvantaged too, did not get jobs or promotion because they were told they would probably leave to start a family.

I don't think some younger women realise how hard women in that era fought for the rights their daughters and granddaughters take for granted.

of course people stayed home, raised responsible future citizens.
That too. There is no shame whatsoever in doing that and no-one should be made to feel shame or to be disadvantaged because that is what they chose to do or were in fact forced to do because of lack of childcare.

Norah

Allira

Lydie45

Are you actually calling people who look after their own children ‘free loaders’ 😡

Probably. Ignoring the fact that they had no-one or no facilities to care for their children and felt they were doing a good job in bringing up their own children to be responsible future citizens and taxpayers.

As an aside - everyone seems to be claiming that the money not being given to pensioners (it's not being taken from them as it wasn't theirs in the first place)
What do you mean by that? Was it a gift? No.
It is a reduction in income which was expected for at least the coming year.
Scrooge politics.

Not often noted there weren't facilities to care for children years ago, of course people stayed home, raised responsible future citizens.

Or perhaps the facilities only existed in urban areas?

Well, I lived in the suburbs of a city and childcare meant playgroups from the age of 3 - with one paid leader and mothers taking it in turns to volunteer.
There was a babysitting group amongst the Mums for which you earned and could spend tokens.
There were no nurseries such as there are now.

Norah

Doodledog How are we back on this on a thread about what people hope to see in the budget?

Not much longer, we'll read the budget.

I understand why the government has waited to launch (is that the right word?) the budget, but the delay has been very destructive. I assume they announced the WFP means-test to give people at least some chance to budget for it, but it has been really damaging for them.

As you say though, all will be revealed very soon.

Mollygo

^If only your posts didn't drip with the hypocrisy you claim to despise so much, Molly.^
But hypocrisy is just what I see in many of your posts Doodle. I learnt from your expertise.
Re the approximate £200 less per month, if you don’t know, then you are obviously not affected, so enjoy it.

I'll not sink to the level of 'I'm not but you are', but it's soooo tempting. . .

I may be affected - how can I tell when I have no idea what you are witt. . . suggesting?

It seems I'm not alone.

I would like council tax to be doubled on second and subsequent homes. I would like the tax threshold raised for those who still went into work during lockdown because they are the essential workers that need rewarding and supported. I would like penalties put on people who live and pay tax abroad but still have houses lying empty here.

Allira

Lydie45

Are you actually calling people who look after their own children ‘free loaders’ 😡

Probably. Ignoring the fact that they had no-one or no facilities to care for their children and felt they were doing a good job in bringing up their own children to be responsible future citizens and taxpayers.

As an aside - everyone seems to be claiming that the money not being given to pensioners (it's not being taken from them as it wasn't theirs in the first place)
What do you mean by that? Was it a gift? No.
It is a reduction in income which was expected for at least the coming year.
Scrooge politics.

Not often noted there weren't facilities to care for children years ago, of course people stayed home, raised responsible future citizens.

Or perhaps the facilities only existed in urban areas?

Doodledog How are we back on this on a thread about what people hope to see in the budget?

Not much longer, we'll read the budget.

Cossy

Mollygo

Rude, so you use it in your reply. Equally
rude, then add on about -presumably your own choice of rude. 😂😂😂
All those already getting around £200 less per month will know what I meant. I’m sorry if you didn’t.

Well I’m going to ask politely!

Please can you explain? I don’t know what you’re “wittering” on about?

I'm asking politely too.

Mollygo

Rude, so you use it in your reply. Equally
rude, then add on about -presumably your own choice of rude. 😂😂😂
All those already getting around £200 less per month will know what I meant. I’m sorry if you didn’t.

Well I’m going to ask politely!

Please can you explain? I don’t know what you’re “wittering” on about?

Mollygo

Rude, so you use it in your reply. Equally
rude, then add on about -presumably your own choice of rude. 😂😂😂
All those already getting around £200 less per month will know what I meant. I’m sorry if you didn’t.

Please could you enlighten those of us who aren't about to lose £200 a month.

If only your posts didn't drip with the hypocrisy you claim to despise so much, Molly.
But hypocrisy is just what I see in many of your posts Doodle. I learnt from your expertise.
Re the approximate £200 less per month, if you don’t know, then you are obviously not affected, so enjoy it.

Ah, my mind reading skills don’t get going until after lunch

I think posts on this page jumped from the discussion of free breakfast clubs in schools, to the withdrawal of the WFA to thecrumour that the single person's council tax discount might be stopped without any actual coherent link between them. An exercise in mind reading...

All those already getting around £200 less per month will know what I meant. I’m sorry if you didn’t

Mollygo this £200 confused me too. Please could you tell me who is getting ‘£200 less a month’. It’s fine for those who ‘know’ but a bit mystifying for those of us don’t. Genuinely interested!

If only your posts didn't drip with the hypocrisy you claim to despise so much, Molly.

I am not usually rude, as I'm sure most people would agree. However, having ??? as a reply, followed by being told I am 'wittering' pushed me to reply in kind - I rather assumed that a non-hypocrite such as yourself wouldn't object to treatment of the kind they dish out - clearly my mistake. If you find it rude, maybe take a look at your own rather hectoring posting style?

What did you mean about people losing £200 a month for 11 months and £400 for the 12th? It's starting to look like bluster. There is no need to be sorry that I don't know - we will all find out if you tell us. Maybe without the use of laughing emojis and incomprehensible punctuation?

Rude, so you use it in your reply. Equally
rude, then add on about -presumably your own choice of rude. 😂😂😂
All those already getting around £200 less per month will know what I meant. I’m sorry if you didn’t.

Rude. You may say I’m ‘wittering’ but I answer posts and ask questions politely.

It was very unclear what you meant by your ‘wittering’ about 11 months at £200 a month, and another at £400; so I guessed at the single person benefit (as council tax is paid over 11 months of the year). Clearly this was wrong, but you gave no clues in your confusing post.

What were you ‘on about’ then?

Today 22:53 Doodledog

Mollygo
Doodledog
Oh, do you mean the scaremongering about the single person discount on council tax? That is paid over 11 months, but it is not happening. I understand that it had been specifically denied.
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Sorry?
I never said anything about single person whatever, so I have no idea why you a wittering on about it.

Mollygo

Doodledog

Oh, do you mean the scaremongering about the single person discount on council tax? That is paid over 11 months, but it is not happening. I understand that it had been specifically denied.

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Sorry?

Allira

Mollygo

Doodledog

Oh, do you mean the scaremongering about the single person discount on council tax? That is paid over 11 months, but it is not happening. I understand that it had been specifically denied.

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It has been suggested or indicated by Downing Street that this will not happen but not specifically denied.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czddl1x1013o

news.sky.com/story/single-person-council-tax-discount-will-not-be-axed-downing-street-suggests-13220781

Nobody will give away definites from an upcoming budget, but these links make the intentions pretty clear.

Mollygo

Doodledog

Oh, do you mean the scaremongering about the single person discount on council tax? That is paid over 11 months, but it is not happening. I understand that it had been specifically denied.

???

It has been suggested or indicated by Downing Street that this will not happen but not specifically denied.

Doodledog

Oh, do you mean the scaremongering about the single person discount on council tax? That is paid over 11 months, but it is not happening. I understand that it had been specifically denied.

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