37 Prisoners Realeased from Prison By Mistake

Given the desperate state of all branches of our criminal justice system, I suppose it’s nothing short of a miracle relatively few mistakes were made. Yes of course I recognise the dreadful sexual assault and impact of that

Only ONE still not brought back into custody (as of 3 days ago).

Maybe all back by now.

Just saying.

MaizieD stirring wasn’t my intention, I have missed a fair few threads lately, life is taking priority and rightly so.

(I am only in here so much today due to being in the kitchen cooking chutney and various other food stuffs for Christmas along with roast dinner for five 🤷‍♀️)

The rioters were processed extremely quickly, whilst another high profile case is taking considerably longer, and the perpetrators are walking free.

I wasn’t aware that it shouldn’t be mentioned?

It was actually mentioned on a thread about the fast sentencing and imprisonment of the rioters a few weeks ago. A full explanation was given there. You must have missed it.
It seemed as though something was being stirred when it was brought up again.

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD no political point scoring from me, not my modus operandi.

Just a genuine observation.

I'm sorry.

But what was it doing on a thread which was clearly intended to find fault with the current government?

I was not finding fault with the Government!

The thread is about prisons, prisoners and early release due to overcrowding and the need to incarcerate the August rioters.

The rioters were processed extremely quickly, whilst another high profile case is taking considerably longer, and the perpetrators are walking free.

I wasn’t aware that it shouldn’t be mentioned?

I have posted numerous times that I do not want the current Government to fail, as if it fails the U.K. fails and thousands of citizens will suffer.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD no political point scoring from me, not my modus operandi.

Just a genuine observation.

I'm sorry.

But what was it doing on a thread which was clearly intended to find fault with the current government?

Often wish there was a thumbs up icon on GN. Lots of good points made here. Finding blame in this situation maybe helpful, so that lessons are learnt, however the ongoing financial cutbacks mean it’s likely that more such mistakes are made. As Cossy said the judicial system is in a mess. For example, Common Platform is the digital case management system which allows all involved in a criminal case secure access to case information. It is dreadful, cost a fortune to create so won’t be replaced, and is one of the reasons people are leaving their jobs.

If any of the victims of the wrongly released prisoners are reading this thread, and are in any way upset by my post, please accept my apologies.

My ‘criticism’ is, of course, not aimed at you, or any victims of crime. Having been a victim of crime myself, I understand the trauma it can cause. I hope my post did not upset anyone in this situation; no upset to you was meant.

Good point Rosie51.

Lisaangel10

Heard on radio that one of those released in error committed a sexual assault very shortly after release.

Sounds about right 😩

deedeedum

They have located 30 0f them, just looking for 7 now. Under the circumstances, what would you have done

Perhaps not released prisoners wrongly?

The blame for the prisons being too full lies with those who allowed the prisons too full

The blame for allowing prisoners to be released who should not have been released and are still avoiding recapture lies with
a) the person who decided that the release should go ahead, whatever excuse was given
b) those responsible for inadequate checking before releasing them.

LizzieDrip

I dare say the Daily Mail et al will ‘reveal’ that Keir Starmer ‘personally unlocked the cells of the 37 and escorted them off the premises to an awaiting luxury coach, driven by Sue Gray and loaded with booze and fags for their enjoyment’

Yes I expect the victim of the sexual assault by a released prisoner is also laughing at your oh so witty post.

LizzyDrip, no he just handed over the key.

No, the "blame" lies firmly with those who allowed the prisons to go beyond full and did absolutely nothing, kept pretty silent when it was in growing crisis.

Beeb

As Cossy said, it’s down to lack of funding. For years we’ve had issues with courts using the old Protection from Harassment Act 1997 when they should be using the Sentencing Act 2020 for breaches. Not much point in blaming this person or that . The issue is under funding resulting in loss of staff/expertise, and increased work load for remaining staff, similar to the situation in other essential services. The police and courts must be extremely concerned about the error.

Just so.

Beeb

As Cossy said, it’s down to lack of funding. For years we’ve had issues with courts using the old Protection from Harassment Act 1997 when they should be using the Sentencing Act 2020 for breaches. Not much point in blaming this person or that . The issue is under funding resulting in loss of staff/expertise, and increased work load for remaining staff, similar to the situation in other essential services. The police and courts must be extremely concerned about the error.

Lack of funding does not excuse the incompetence of Shabana Mahmood and her team for not checking properly before they ok'd the release of these thugs. On them lies the blame.

I dare say the Daily Mail et al will ‘reveal’ that Keir Starmer ‘personally unlocked the cells of the 37 and escorted them off the premises to an awaiting luxury coach, driven by Sue Gray and loaded with booze and fags for their enjoyment’

This government is a laughing stock they have contradicted themselves, lied and been downright ruthless whilst taking what they could get their hands on.
I feel guilty that I voted for them thinking they would be more scrupulous than the Tories, before he got elected Starmer made all the right noises sounding as if he had integrity and was for the working people, but boy didn’t he change in such a short time.
How many times did he say about pensioners having to choose eating or heating and look what he has done I have a feeling things are going to get worse because just like the Tories they are in government for what they can help themselves to not for the country.

Was bound to happen with this kind of mass release but no consolation for those whose abusers were released. Thank goodness most now found and returned.
So many of our systems now in chaos, I think we're mostly learning to expect the worst and just be pleasantly surprised when things go well.

As Cossy said, it’s down to lack of funding. For years we’ve had issues with courts using the old Protection from Harassment Act 1997 when they should be using the Sentencing Act 2020 for breaches. Not much point in blaming this person or that . The issue is under funding resulting in loss of staff/expertise, and increased work load for remaining staff, similar to the situation in other essential services. The police and courts must be extremely concerned about the error.

deedeedum

They have located 30 0f them, just looking for 7 now. Under the circumstances, what would you have done

I think you are wrong:

All but one of those mistakenly released have been located, the Ministry of Justice has confirmed.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy43kkw7pn2o

GrannyGravy13

I was referring to the incident at Manchester Airport

Best information I could find is in this Reuters report GG13 :

www.reuters.com/fact-check/manchester-airport-violence-investigations-ongoing-sept-25-2024-09-27/#:~:text=Four%20men%20were%20arrested%20%2C%20opens,on%20suspicion%20of%20obstructing%20police.

It's with the CPS atm, not buried. The IOPC investigation into the actions of the police is also ongoing, a spokesperson for the police complaints watchdog said to Reuters by email on Sept. 26. (despite SM memes that its been dropped).

The CPS has on its books a backlog of violent incidents:

"Data published by the Ministry of Justice today shows the backlog reached 67,573 between October and December 2023, up from 62,628 on the same quarter in 2022. The backlog has been steadily climbing during 2023"

MaizieD no political point scoring from me, not my modus operandi.

Just a genuine observation.

GrannyGravy13

I was referring to the incident at Manchester Airport

They are still free, as it was explained at the time, because they will be tried at a Crown Court, not a magistrates Court and not only will the preparation of the cases against them take time to prepare but also, thanks to tory cuts over 14 years, the actual court system is subject to long delays. Delays such as rape cases taking 4 or 5 years to come to trial, during which time the perpetrators are walking the streets. Probably the same streets as their victims.

I don't know if you thought you had scored a political point with this case, but as far as I can see, the only political point I can see is that the tories managed to almost destroy the court system along with everything else they turned their hands to