Lord Waheed Alli, has he bought the government?

Iam64

MaizieD

What an extraordinary response to a simple request for a link, Namsnanny.

Indeed

Wyllow3

Anniebach

The Conservative Party doesn’t have donations ?

Frank Hester alone donated a total of 15 million, yes, 15 million pounds.

And this is the same Frank Hester who made some pretty vile remarks about black women and Diane Abbott in particular.

But even after he was exposed the Tory Party went on to accept a further 5 million donation.

My word, but there's a man determined to buy a life peerage when Rishi Sunak draws up his resignation Honours List......

MaizieD

What an extraordinary response to a simple request for a link, Namsnanny.

Indeed

What an extraordinary response to a simple request for a link, Namsnanny.

Namsnanny

Wyllow3

Namsnanny

ronib

I like Lord Alli. He could be a good person.

I don't know if he is or isn't ronib but he does want a state run press/media, and anyone who wants to take freedoms away from the public makes my blood run cold.

What on earth are you referring to Namsnanny?

but he does want a state run press/media and anyone who wants to take freedoms away from the public

like no Daily mail, Guardian, GB news, etc etc, one star run media source like Russia?

Frankly, I dont believe you. Reliable references, please, if you are going to make that kind of allegation and have credibility.

Frankly I dont believe you

A bit hyperbolic don't you think Wyllow

BTW you may remember you became very upset with either me or other posters a while ago, lets try not to become antagonistic and upset each other, it doesn't bode well imv.

As for links refer to one of his speeches in the HOL.

I've been a while, watching a very intriguing program about Kamal Harris ancestry, very engrossing .

Wyllow3

I think you have behaved out of anger because you have over invested a lot of emotion into your political view of life.

I happen to think that given your behaviour towards me, I would be very justified in countering your accusations, anger and your insufferable entitlement, by using similar rhetoric back at you.
But what would that achieve?

You have accused me of lying whilst a another poster confirmed my words, just took a different interpretation.

You've fallen for the old adage of shooting the messenger.

I didn't quite understand your bit about the newspapers.

Speaking of newspapers, do you know how many journalists have been arrested under the terrorism act in this country?

Or how they lose their rights to inform people of what has happened to them?
Or how harrowing it is to be kept in jail for an unlimited time, just because they can.

No of course not, because it isn't reported by the main stream media.
Which is one reason why I'm concerned and always have been, about the tightening up of free speech.
Whether it be on line or what can be reported in the news.

Without freedom of speech and action there is no true life, and although I understand you cannot see this from my perspective, because it is so important, I would implore you to try.

As I said any attempt to close down those freedoms chills me to the bone.

Have you read any recent immigrants life stories about the countries they have come from?
Russia, China, North Korea, parts of Africa, Poland after the war?

The people I have read are all singing from the same hymn book.
In their own words they are pointing out how political and social changes in this country are beginning to mirror what they escaped from.

So sorry I won't be harassed or harangued to 'give links' and not just that but reliable ones too.

Are you the arbiter of what is and isn't reliable now?
Especially as you have made your mind up that I am a liar.
What would be the point?

Under the circumstances it's laughable that you question my credibility.
On an anonymous website, where you (or I) could be pretending to be anyone?

I have been on here a while, I have never reported anyone, or been reported. I have never changed my name or used a second one. Neither have I requested my posts be taken down.

I've always hoped that people could check out things I've said in the past and form an opinion, or ask me about the posts I've made.

I think I have been naive though, people don't remember much, except what upsets them.

So to round up.
I think if LA turns out to be a knight in shining armour and underpins free speech in any way, I shall sing his praises all the day long.
Lord knows there aren't many willing to put their shoulder to the wheel in the name of freedom of speech and actions for all, and even fewer millionaires.
Time will tell.

Wyllow3

Indeed Anniebach, he's not an outsider drifted in once wealthy or even recently in order to gain perks: he was made a peer in the late 1990's. He's a committed insider.

I have just been on a google and Compared to Hestor's 15 million:

"In total the 59-year-old television entrepreneur has donated £500,000 to Labour over the past two decades but had mostly remained a background figure in the party". (Evening standard)

"Politically his main interventions of significance in the H of L was made in the late 1990’s when he was first made a peer and were on gay rights, and he has said he regards it as his main legacy". (The Times)

A real baddie then - Not

If I missed a web ref link, I would be most grateful for you to repeat what I've missed.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Wyllow3

I think it's fair enough, pretty standard in discussions, when someone makes a contentious point in news and politics threads, such as

" but he does want a state run press/media, and anyone who wants to take freedoms away from the public makes my blood run cold."

To request information and references on the source of that point.

Look forward to your link.

Have you looked up the link I gave you yet?

I think it's fair enough, pretty standard in discussions, when someone makes a contentious point in news and politics threads, such as

" but he does want a state run press/media, and anyone who wants to take freedoms away from the public makes my blood run cold."

To request information and references on the source of that point.

Look forward to your link.

Wyllow3

That's not actually answering my point, is it Namsnanny?

"As for links refer to one of his speeches in the HOL."

Look forward to your link.

Your determined to create an argument it seems to me.

Your choosing to use inflammatory language. For clarification

That's not actually answering my point, is it Namsnanny?

"As for links refer to one of his speeches in the HOL."

Look forward to your link.

OldFrill

He actually suggested, about ten years ago, that it might be beneficial to have a state run press regulator. He also suggested they should be a limit on the number of newspapers one company could own.
All this is now being regurgitated and twisted - not least, it seems, by Namsnanny

Thats just silly, you choosing to be using inflammatory language.
I'm just quoting and listening to others.

Wyllow3

Namsnanny

ronib

I like Lord Alli. He could be a good person.

I don't know if he is or isn't ronib but he does want a state run press/media, and anyone who wants to take freedoms away from the public makes my blood run cold.

What on earth are you referring to Namsnanny?

but he does want a state run press/media and anyone who wants to take freedoms away from the public

like no Daily mail, Guardian, GB news, etc etc, one star run media source like Russia?

Frankly, I dont believe you. Reliable references, please, if you are going to make that kind of allegation and have credibility.

Frankly I dont believe you

A bit hyperbolic don't you think Wyllow

BTW you may remember you became very upset with either me or other posters a while ago, lets try not to become antagonistic and upset each other, it doesn't bode well imv.

As for links refer to one of his speeches in the HOL.

He actually suggested, about ten years ago, that it might be beneficial to have a state run press regulator. He also suggested they should be a limit on the number of newspapers one company could own.
All this is now being regurgitated and twisted - not least, it seems, by Namsnanny

Same trough, different snouts…

State run media not star.

Namsnanny

ronib

I like Lord Alli. He could be a good person.

I don't know if he is or isn't ronib but he does want a state run press/media, and anyone who wants to take freedoms away from the public makes my blood run cold.

What on earth are you referring to Namsnanny?

but he does want a state run press/media and anyone who wants to take freedoms away from the public

like no Daily mail, Guardian, GB news, etc etc, one star run media source like Russia?

Frankly, I dont believe you. Reliable references, please, if you are going to make that kind of allegation and have credibility.

Casdon

ronib

There’s a clear connection between Quadrature’s £4 million donation to the Labour Party and the appointment of Rachel Kyte as the UK government’s climate envoy.
As everyone knows? Quadrature is an off shore tax registered hedge fund with investments in fossil fuels. Kyte is a co-chair and I think she is keen on carbon capture but let’s wait and see.
No I didn’t make it up.

It’s endemic ronib, it’s only a few months ago that Michelle Mone’s husband was found to have donated to the Tory party, and there are loads of other examples. Dressing these donations up as scandals, when it’s allowed within the rules is disingenuous. The real question is what can we, as voters who don’t approve of the way parliamentary funding schemes operate, do about it?

This is the truth. This is what I wish people would explore.

ronib

I like Lord Alli. He could be a good person.

I don't know if he is or isn't ronib but he does want a state run press/media, and anyone who wants to take freedoms away from the public makes my blood run cold.

ronib

There’s a clear connection between Quadrature’s £4 million donation to the Labour Party and the appointment of Rachel Kyte as the UK government’s climate envoy.
As everyone knows? Quadrature is an off shore tax registered hedge fund with investments in fossil fuels. Kyte is a co-chair and I think she is keen on carbon capture but let’s wait and see.
No I didn’t make it up.

It’s endemic ronib, it’s only a few months ago that Michelle Mone’s husband was found to have donated to the Tory party, and there are loads of other examples. Dressing these donations up as scandals, when it’s allowed within the rules is disingenuous. The real question is what can we, as voters who don’t approve of the way parliamentary funding schemes operate, do about it?

growstuff

Namsnanny

growstuff

Jane43

Anniebach

Seems he shouldn’t have friends in the Labour Party, this is so childish now

He must be regretting his generosity now.

Hmm ... Lord Alli is known for Muslim and gay, as well as supporting Labour. It appears he can't donate to Labour, so maybe he should give donations to Muslim or gay causes.

he has done already, so what is your point?

I was just wondering how many pearls Muslim and gay causes would cause to be clutched.

Actually he supports youth and apprenticeship charities. I guess that's OK.

I think in reality you are deflecting by using satire/humour. Which begs the question of why?
If you are so sure LA and the LP are pure than snow, why deflect?

I was just wondering how many pearls Muslim and gay causes would cause to be clutched

Tut Tut, if you have something to say, why not come out and just say it?

That’s the whole problem, isn’t it - it’s all the parties, and the vast majority of the MPs who are involved with this. I don’t think there is any appetite in Westminster to change a system which has underpinned the political system for centuries.

I like Lord Alli. He could be a good person.