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Lord Waheed Alli, has he bought the government?

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Sago Thu 26-Sept-24 13:25:06

This man seems to have his tentacles everywhere, another story now of him loaning £1.2 million to Siobhan McDonagh.

I fear there is more to come.

How can a government be honest and upright if the MP’s are in Lord Alli’s pocket?

ronib Thu 26-Sept-24 20:33:58

There’s a clear connection between Quadrature’s £4 million donation to the Labour Party and the appointment of Rachel Kyte as the UK government’s climate envoy.
As everyone knows? Quadrature is an off shore tax registered hedge fund with investments in fossil fuels. Kyte is a co-chair and I think she is keen on carbon capture but let’s wait and see.
No I didn’t make it up.

Anniebach Thu 26-Sept-24 20:31:16

So much buying and selling with the Tory Party seems now it’s expected of every political party

AGAA4 Thu 26-Sept-24 20:31:07

It's those who accept donations who are to blame mainly.

growstuff Thu 26-Sept-24 20:29:49

Namsnanny

growstuff

Jane43

Anniebach

Seems he shouldn’t have friends in the Labour Party, this is so childish now

He must be regretting his generosity now.

Hmm ... Lord Alli is known for Muslim and gay, as well as supporting Labour. It appears he can't donate to Labour, so maybe he should give donations to Muslim or gay causes.

he has done already, so what is your point?

I was just wondering how many pearls Muslim and gay causes would cause to be clutched.

Actually he supports youth and apprenticeship charities. I guess that's OK.

AGAA4 Thu 26-Sept-24 20:29:10

That was for Casdon

AGAA4 Thu 26-Sept-24 20:27:22

I'm not singling him out. He is the subject of the thread. I know there are many others.

Wyllow3 Thu 26-Sept-24 20:21:21

Namsnanny,

"In 2008 he won a Stonewall Award for the category of political figure", not as you've posted. Not "the" political figure etc etc

It was for for his work on gay rights in parliament both for gay rights laws (age of consent to be the same as all) and in promoting the rights of gay people to marry. Frankly, unless you are anti-gay, his work in that area has been admirable.

He has not been involved in Stonewall policies on transgender rights. He has not been involved in activism on this.

Please give any evidence that he has

and as for hints, "means he is not a benign charitable friend.
No doubt he is that also to some". What are you suggesting?

Check his biography on wiki which does outline in some detail how and when he has been involved in gay rights issues.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waheed_Alli,_Baron_Alli

And yes, of course he is "involved in the media". It's his career. As are figures from all political backgrounds - so what?

Anniebach Thu 26-Sept-24 20:11:06

He should be confined to Muslim and Gay actions and support?
good grief,

Namsnanny Thu 26-Sept-24 20:07:47

growstuff

Jane43

Anniebach

Seems he shouldn’t have friends in the Labour Party, this is so childish now

He must be regretting his generosity now.

Hmm ... Lord Alli is known for Muslim and gay, as well as supporting Labour. It appears he can't donate to Labour, so maybe he should give donations to Muslim or gay causes.

he has done already, so what is your point?

Casdon Thu 26-Sept-24 20:06:30

AGAA4

I just find it a bit sickening when large amounts of money are spent on those who are already well off while people are worrying about heating their homes and having enough to eat.
Lord Alli can be Father Christmas to MPs if he wants but is he entirely benign?

Why single out him particularly though, he’s not the first, he won’t be the last, and we don’t know about the real motives of any donors, either to parties or individual MPs? When the system itself is what’s wrong tightening the rules or ceasing it altogether are the only options available I think, otherwise we are just railing against a system that operates within the rules, and that won’t change anything.

AGAA4 Thu 26-Sept-24 19:50:14

That would be much more honourable growstuff.

AGAA4 Thu 26-Sept-24 19:47:50

I just find it a bit sickening when large amounts of money are spent on those who are already well off while people are worrying about heating their homes and having enough to eat.
Lord Alli can be Father Christmas to MPs if he wants but is he entirely benign?

growstuff Thu 26-Sept-24 19:42:02

Jane43

Anniebach

Seems he shouldn’t have friends in the Labour Party, this is so childish now

He must be regretting his generosity now.

Hmm ... Lord Alli is known for Muslim and gay, as well as supporting Labour. It appears he can't donate to Labour, so maybe he should give donations to Muslim or gay causes.

Casdon Thu 26-Sept-24 19:37:34

AGAA4

Casdon

It’s custom and practice AGAA4, how politics has probably always worked. I don’t think it’s approved of by many people outside the system except those in big business who operate in a similar way?

Doesn't make it right though. It's open to abuse.

I agree, it’s not a system I support either. However, as long as politicians are operating within the rules they aren’t doing anything wrong in the eyes of parliament or the law - maybe the only thing that will force change ultimately is sustained media pressure.

foxie48 Thu 26-Sept-24 19:37:26

It is unethical if someone provides something in expectation of receiving something in return to which they would not normally be given. . So far I have not read anything that leads me to think that Lord Alli has done this.
Frank Hester who has given millions to the Tory party has received government contracts worth more than £400 million in just 8 years and has raked in millions more than he has donated to the Tory party. I think that is unethical.
Michelle Mone, received a govt contract of £203million just months after giving the Tories a donation of £50K via a company which belonged to her husband which had assets of just £49k. I think there's something very questionable about that and now there's a criminal investigation so I'm not the only one.
When Lord Alli is subject to some investigation suggesting dishonesty or impropriety I am prepared to change my mind about him but ATM all I see and read is completely unsubstantiated slurs on his character based on absolutely nothing. Come forth with your evidence or move on.

Allsorts Thu 26-Sept-24 19:33:52

Its about time it was cleaned up on every side.

AGAA4 Thu 26-Sept-24 19:32:40

Casdon

It’s custom and practice AGAA4, how politics has probably always worked. I don’t think it’s approved of by many people outside the system except those in big business who operate in a similar way?

Doesn't make it right though. It's open to abuse.

Jane43 Thu 26-Sept-24 19:27:17

Anniebach

Seems he shouldn’t have friends in the Labour Party, this is so childish now

He must be regretting his generosity now.

Jane43 Thu 26-Sept-24 19:26:00

Wyllow3

Anniebach

The Conservative Party doesn’t have donations ?

Frank Hester alone donated a total of 15 million, yes, 15 million pounds.

And he got contracts worth £135 million from the Dept Of Health And Social Care.

Casdon Thu 26-Sept-24 19:21:05

It’s custom and practice AGAA4, how politics has probably always worked. I don’t think it’s approved of by many people outside the system except those in big business who operate in a similar way?

Anniebach Thu 26-Sept-24 19:17:34

Seems he shouldn’t have friends in the Labour Party, this is so childish now

growstuff Thu 26-Sept-24 19:02:19

AGAA4

When I signed my contract I had to promise not to receive gifts from the public. Many other workplaces insist on this and it is the ethical thing to do. So why is it alright for MPs to take freebies.?
It is immoral to take gifts for doing their job when they are well paid.
I find it worrying that so many think that this acceptable. It is unethical and plain wrong.

Same here, but my friends were still allowed to help me out.

growstuff Thu 26-Sept-24 19:01:15

And it appears he can't even give his money away to causes which mean a lot to him. sad

AGAA4 Thu 26-Sept-24 19:00:39

When I signed my contract I had to promise not to receive gifts from the public. Many other workplaces insist on this and it is the ethical thing to do. So why is it alright for MPs to take freebies.?
It is immoral to take gifts for doing their job when they are well paid.
I find it worrying that so many think that this acceptable. It is unethical and plain wrong.

Anniebach Thu 26-Sept-24 18:58:18

He worked for Maxwell publications, in 1988, aged 24year he moved to broadcasting. 1992 merged with Bob Geldof to form Planet 24 which was reported as extremely successful
So much, so young