Lord Waheed Alli, has he bought the government?

GBN certainly encourage certain stories

Super injunctions are used to protect people in the public eye regarding aspects of their private lives, not their ability to do their job, so are you implying that such a facility should not exist in law Namsnanny? Or do you think being the PM means that normal privacy rules don’t apply and unless you are as pure as the driven snow (and your wife or child is) the details of your private life should be in the public domain?

But EM has no power to encourage certain stories or perspectives, as the traditional news outlets do.
I dont actually know, but I presume he could be taken to court if he broke KS injunction himself?

Lord Ashcroft tried to incorporate some of the back story of KS in his biography.
He was sued (because it is illegal to break an injunction), not because what he was prevented from saying was a lie, but because it broke the law to tell the public about it

It has apparently, been an open secret to most of parliament, and most of the media.

Only the voting public have been hobbled with a lack of information, upon which they could use to judge how to vote.

And in my view that is why we are kept on the dark.

Doesnt matter to me which colour the party is, as soon as there are laws to stifle the truth, the government of the day will use them to their advantage.

Namsnanny

Iam64

I agree with you Jane43, it almost feels that untrue inflammatory gossip is being legitimised.

How do you mean legitimized exactly?

I understand KS has a super injunction on the press to stop anybody speaking/writing about whatever problem he has.
Obviously that shuts down discussion (duh!) but opens the need to question.
Exactly the same thing happened over the reporting of Sp (minus the injunction).

It didn't end well, as a strategy then.

We do not know that there is a super injunction though Namsnanny. It is an instrument of the law that prevents the publishing of any details from an ongoing legal case, including the existence of the case itself.

It's all a furore on SM.

None of the MSM newspapers are joining in spreading these speculative rumours. If you google - I just have

It's so sad - the worst of SM is just divisive and tearing people apart, like previously chatty spaces like Jane describes.

Disagreements are being made into "wars".

I feel very alarmed by the likes of Elon Musk, unelected by anyone, and the power he wields.

Iam64

I agree with you Jane43, it almost feels that untrue inflammatory gossip is being legitimised.

How do you mean legitimized exactly?

I understand KS has a super injunction on the press to stop anybody speaking/writing about whatever problem he has.
Obviously that shuts down discussion (duh!) but opens the need to question.
Exactly the same thing happened over the reporting of Sp (minus the injunction).

It didn't end well, as a strategy then.

I don't know what are the lies that have been told about South Port.

I do know that Nick Knowles from Hope not Hate told some stonking ones, but nothing has happened to him or those repeating his lies.

So that's worth thinking about.

Also sometimes a lie today is a truth tomorrow.

I agree with you Jane43, it almost feels that untrue inflammatory gossip is being legitimised.

Allira

GrannyGravy13

LizzieDrip

What a vile, repulsive platform Twitter is.

Not all X is toxic

The Royals have accounts, the Government plus MPs, all major retailers, most local councils, all TV companies and many 1,000’s of normal folk.

Please do not tarnish all because of a few.

The same could be said for any social media platform.

I hear the same about Facebook, but, apart from annoying videos and reels about cats and some rudeness on a local FB group page (usually stamped on very quickly), I never see any of the stuff that others on GN claim they see.

I hope whoever is doing this on X is dealt with.

It is a huge number of people on X who post disgusting and untrue things about Keir Starmer every day and to a lesser extent Rachel Reeves and Angela Rayner, Elon Musk has joined the fray and is advocating that people don’t visit the UK claiming that free speech is being suppressed. I got tired of blocking them and have deleted the app now, you can report people but nothing seems to happen even to those who post the most vile things. I joined a group on Facebook which is for people born or brought up in the 1940s and 1950s, it used to be a pleasant group centred on nostalgia but since the election it is mainly people posting negative and untrue things about Keir Starmer so I stopped contributing to that. A cousin of my DH constantly makes anti KS and racist pro Reform posts so we have had to block him. Social media is playing a huge part in sabotaging this government.

Elon Musk is as far as I’ve understood, all for free speech. That’s why he let the lies about Southport stand.

“A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes”🤷‍♀️

I think there is a difference between Facebook and X though. Facebook is much more moderated, particularly in groups, so somebody is taking responsibility for what is posted - and posts are removed if they are outside the conduct boundaries. That doesn’t happen on X.

GrannyGravy13

LizzieDrip

What a vile, repulsive platform Twitter is.

Not all X is toxic

The Royals have accounts, the Government plus MPs, all major retailers, most local councils, all TV companies and many 1,000’s of normal folk.

Please do not tarnish all because of a few.

The same could be said for any social media platform.

I hear the same about Facebook, but, apart from annoying videos and reels about cats and some rudeness on a local FB group page (usually stamped on very quickly), I never see any of the stuff that others on GN claim they see.

I hope whoever is doing this on X is dealt with.

I’ll rephrase my comment GG:

IMO, what a vile, repulsive platform Twitter is.

Yes, it's open to all, but it won't set limits on what is acceptable, and x posts on children are totally, utterly out of order and should be deleted. And most definitely criticised in MSM!

I sincerely hope certain newspapers don't give these x posts the time of day, disgusting.

LizzieDrip

What a vile, repulsive platform Twitter is.

Not all X is toxic

The Royals have accounts, the Government plus MPs, all major retailers, most local councils, all TV companies and many 1,000’s of normal folk.

Please do not tarnish all because of a few.

What a vile, repulsive platform Twitter is.

Twitter is repeating allegations about Keir Starmer’s children. Disgusting

I think, if there is any truth to the ‘super injunction’ rumour, it may be to stop the media commenting on KS’s family, particularly his children, rather than any ‘skeleton in his cupboard’.

KS is, quite rightly, very protective of his children and, during the election campaign, he said very openly that the impact on his children was his main concern.

The Telegraph printed a story (I think it was yesterday) about KS’s son staying in Lord Alli’s flat in which the focus was on the boy - totally unacceptable. I posted my views about it on the thread.

The media are vultures; they will do anything for ‘good copy’. This witch hunt against KS is getting out of control and is expanding to his family, which is totally vile. Criticise the PM, but leave his children alone.

I hope he has used the law to prevent the media reporting anything about his children!

Of course, all this may be just another Twitter storm, with no substance to it at all.
I’m not on Twitter so haven’t read anything about it.

Iam64

I agree Gg13 and foxie about the awful pressure on people in the public eye. We need high quality people in parliament and the often one sided distorted reporting helps no one

But do "high quality" people go into politics?
I doubt it. The clever ones avoid it like the plague which leaves the altruistic types not always suited to this rough business.

Wyllow3 that’s where we differ, as I do not think it is an attack on the left per se.

It is just the media’s delight in knocking people off of their pedestals, whether they be politicians, musicians, actors, anybody in the public eye or who is brave enough to out their heads above the parapet.

There seems to be this unwritten rule that if you are in the public eye you have to be as white as white

Many years ago I had a job where I was responsible for departmental budgets and acquisition.

Along with colleagues I “enjoyed” corporate days out, meals, gifts at Christmas etc etc. it was normal and commonplace.

I also worked in a software house and had a very healthy expense account where I regularly “treated” our clients to lunches and evenings out.

It was pretty much normal back in the 70’s and 80’s.

Correct "I suspect skeletons exist in many public figures cupboards that could not stand up" etc

foxie48

I think that's what makes being an MP such a difficult job. I think many people have "things" in their life that spun by the media could be embarassing or awkward but fortunately the media isn't interested in most of us. It's not just the MP that needs to have a thick skin but also their spouse/partner, children and wider family, the constant intrusion into their lives must be horrible.

I suspect skeletons there are in many public figures cupboards that could stand up to this level of bitter and destructive scrutiny.
This is a full on attempt by the right to try and destroy. Nothing the person ever did that was good or laudable never mentioned.

I agree Gg13 and foxie about the awful pressure on people in the public eye. We need high quality people in parliament and the often one sided distorted reporting helps no one