Well Done Rosie Duffield

Well said Rosie. I think attempts to smear Rosie Duffield are unedifying. They’re just a distraction from the contents of her letter and whether people think what she’s said is unimportant.

MayBee70

Anniebach

She lost the whip,a few years back, during Covid lock down she met a married man she was involved with, sorry can’t search having problems with iPad ,

On 14 April 2020, Duffield was appointed a Labour whip by new Labour leader Keir Starmer.[23] In May 2020, she resigned from the position after breaking COVID-19 lockdown rules when she met her married partner whilst they were living in separate households. Duffield apologised and said she accepted her actions constituted a breach of the law at the time.[24][25][26]
From Wikipedia…

In stark contrast to Stephen Kinnock who didn't accept he'd broken the law.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/29/stephen-kinnock-targeted-by-police-for-visiting-father-neil

"I only stayed long enough to sing Happy Birthday" Hmmm for which you needed two fold up chairs, and two photos eh?
Given his sister also visited that day to drop off cake, a crumble and a lamb curry!” couldn't she have brought the necessary supplies Stephen mentioned? I took essential supplies to my midwife niece several times throughout the lockdown. I placed them on the step, rang the bell, then retreated outside her garden onto the pavement. Said hello, there's your bits, asked how things were and left within 3 or 4 minutes. Never once took a fold up chair with me. Oh and I went on my own, didn't need to take my husband with me, couldn't justify that even though she's his blood niece.

She wasn't alone in breaking lockdown rules but didn't attempt to evade the punishment. She was wrong and admitted it.

Thank you MayBee

They were naive, and hypocritical having criticised the Tories for doing the same thing. However, there is no evidence that there was any corruption.

‘MPs currently have to declare gifts and hospitality worth more than £300 if it could be considered part of their "parliamentary or political activities".
They have to list such gifts in parliamentary transparency records within 28 days, stating the donor and the estimated value. The records are republished fortnightly when Parliament is sitting.
But under a rule introduced under David Cameron, ministers can declare hospitality linked to their government job in their departmental declarations, published every three months, where an estimated value is not required.’
From BBC News today.
If I understand the David Cameron rule change correctly, we wouldn’t know if the last government had ministers who were receiving gifts and donations if they were hidden in the departmental declarations -or have I misunderstood?
Here’s the full article.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czj9m379jg7o

Anniebach

She lost the whip,a few years back, during Covid lock down she met a married man she was involved with, sorry can’t search having problems with iPad ,

On 14 April 2020, Duffield was appointed a Labour whip by new Labour leader Keir Starmer.[23] In May 2020, she resigned from the position after breaking COVID-19 lockdown rules when she met her married partner whilst they were living in separate households. Duffield apologised and said she accepted her actions constituted a breach of the law at the time.[24][25][26]
From Wikipedia…

I’m neither right leaning nor unfamiliar with Rosie Duffield’s history, but I think the accusations she has levelled at KS’s behaviour in government cannot be ignored.

It’s no secret that I was never his biggest fan, but I voted for Labour in the hope that we could finally have a change from 14 years of corruption and sleaze. I am absolutely gutted to realise, after such a short time, there is no hope of anything better, no party that will stand for the disadvantaged, but only more of the same self-serving dishonesty from people who will say anything to gain power.

In fact, I will write to my new Labour MP about this issue

Rosie51

Thanks for that answer Casdon I'm not sure any other party aligns with her views, she's still essentially Labour, so I'll assume she'll remain an independent or leave politics.

You’re probably right there. I seriously think that cross party agreement should be sought and a rule change agreed though, because it can’t be right for constituents to be represented by ‘independent’MPs for up to five years, when that’s not what they voted for - not specifically RD, but any MP in that situation.

I’m happy for Duffield to be an independent but believe her constituents should have the opportunity to vote in a by election.
Good memory there anniebach

Thanks for that answer Casdon I'm not sure any other party aligns with her views, she's still essentially Labour, so I'll assume she'll remain an independent or leave politics.

She lost the whip,a few years back, during Covid lock down she met a married man she was involved with, sorry can’t search having problems with iPad ,

The whip’s office of the party makes the decision if an MP who resigned of their own volition wishes to return - but if somebody leaves and trashes the leader or party I doubt if the request would be granted because effectively they have burnt their bridges. She is in an iniquitous position now unless another party will take her.

Or in view of Casdon's post trying to point score!

Iam64

You’re flogging a dead horse here imo Rosie51.

Don't agree with cruelty to animals whether dead or alive so I'll desist.

May I ask a question though as I have no idea, I'm not a Labour member just a voter? Is it within Labour party rules for RD to request return of the whip in the future? Sincere question, not being devious or goady.

Rosie51

Anniebach

Corbyn was expelled from the Labour Party , Abbott was suspended from the Labour Party .
July the constituents voted for a Labour MP, September they now have an independent MP, this is wrong

Suspended for a year during which time her constituents had an independent MP, and who knows how much longer if an election hadn't been called. Within a year Rosie Duffield could decide to ask for the whip back, is that allowed?

Corbyn also an independent for over a year, don't remember the demands for him to resign and prompt a by-election either.

You’re trying to score points without looking at the whole picture Rosie51. There were a total of 18 MPs who had lost the whip by the last election, different parties, different reasons, different lengths of suspension.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/18/losing-the-whip-who-are-the-18-uk-mps-sitting-as-independents
These are all effectively MPs who were without portfolio - I think it’s wrong if they lose the whip and aren’t reinstated for them to continue - but there are much more serious scenarios here than Diane Abbott, who was suspended but hadn’t lost the whip. Something does need to be done to determine what happens when the whip isn’t restored after investigation, and when it is resigned by the MP.

Suspended is not expelled

You’re flogging a dead horse here imo Rosie51.

Anniebach

Corbyn was expelled from the Labour Party , Abbott was suspended from the Labour Party .
July the constituents voted for a Labour MP, September they now have an independent MP, this is wrong

Suspended for a year during which time her constituents had an independent MP, and who knows how much longer if an election hadn't been called. Within a year Rosie Duffield could decide to ask for the whip back, is that allowed?

Corbyn also an independent for over a year, don't remember the demands for him to resign and prompt a by-election either.

Iam64

No Rosie51, I was not suggesting Duffield is of the right, apologies if I was not clear. I was pointing out that many posters whose views lean right are supportive her. My own view is the support is based on their dislike of `Starmer.
I have always believed that by elections should follow when MPs no longer represent the part in whose name they were elected.
Yes it was suggested Diane Abbot stand as an independent . Jeremy Corbyn did and was elected.

I didn't take it you thought Rosie Duffield was of the right, I took it you were saying those of us supporting her were of the right, which I, like Galaxy, am not. I support Rosie for Rosie and her defence of women's sex based rights, not as dislike for Starmer. I have criticised him for his treatment of RD at his election launch, but I appear to be alone in having that opinion as nobody else has made any comment.

I seem to recall that when it was rumoured Diane Abbott would stand as an independent after the election was called, she quickly had the whip restored. Obviously a coincidence, not because she is so well regarded by her constituents, she like Corbyn, would be sure to be elected.

Corbyn was expelled from the Labour Party , Abbott was suspended from the Labour Party .
July the constituents voted for a Labour MP, September they now have an independent MP, this is wrong

Casdon x post
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No Rosie51, I was not suggesting Duffield is of the right, apologies if I was not clear. I was pointing out that many posters whose views lean right are supportive her. My own view is the support is based on their dislike of `Starmer.
I have always believed that by elections should follow when MPs no longer represent the part in whose name they were elected.
Yes it was suggested Diane Abbot stand as an independent . Jeremy Corbyn did and was elected.

I don’t think that’s what Iam64 meant Rosie51, she was talking about right leaning Gransnetters?
The one that sprang immediately to my mind who resigned the whip was Lee Anderson. If an MP has the whip suspended by the party, to my mind that’s a separate category, because once the disciplinary process is complete they either return to the whip or don’t. If they don’t (numerous examples of MPs in this category) then a by election should be called at that stage in my view, because again, they aren’t representing their electorate.

Casdon

Galaxy

Well I am of the left, centre left and a member of the labour party. I am certainly not going to start saying that those who support Rosie Duffield are of the right. I have heard that song many times before.

You’ve lost me Galaxy, I don’t think anybody on here has said that, or implied it have they?

Iam64 seems to in her post at 15.47

Well said Galaxy I voted Labour so wouldn't class myself as 'of the right'

I don't remember there being any demands for resignations and by-elections when Natalie Elphicke and Dan Poulter crossed the floor from posters who now think RD should do just that. I do think 'crossing the floor' is such a big change it should be followed by a by-election.

What about when MPs have the whip withdrawn whether completely or for a specified or unspecified time? Wasn't Diane Abbott suspended, so an independent MP, for just over a year until the election was announced? Did anyone suggest she should stand in a by-election as an independent?

Galaxy

Well I am of the left, centre left and a member of the labour party. I am certainly not going to start saying that those who support Rosie Duffield are of the right. I have heard that song many times before.

You’ve lost me Galaxy, I don’t think anybody on here has said that, or implied it have they?