Dickens my husband read every page of the treaty or whatever it was at the time. He voted against.
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Who will be our next Conservative leader? Who is right for the job?
(376 Posts)It’s the Conservative Party conference this week - we seem to have heard very little of it in the media - yet they are choosing the next opposition leader.
Jenrick, Badenhoch, Cleverly and Tugendhat:
What kind of Conservative Party will we see?
Here are the candidates:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c51y2lqzxl8o
I think it’s safe to say Kemi Badenoch is a tact free zone.
news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-tory-conference-leadership-jenrick-badenoch-cleverly-tugendhat-12593360
That really was not a waste thing to say.
Wise!
Thank you for that link Casdon as its an ongoing record of events at the conference. It was an eye catching headliner but imo pretty gruesome.
BBC I player record of the day and who said what leadership wise
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2k9385xn7o
Apparently, according to Larry the Cat’s Twitter feed, if Kemi Badenoch wins the Tory leadership election all Labour MPs will be required to register it as a gift

Casdon
I think it’s safe to say Kemi Badenoch is a tact free zone.
news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-tory-conference-leadership-jenrick-badenoch-cleverly-tugendhat-12593360
That really was not a waste thing to say.
Quite!
And Truss. A Trump victory would, apparently, cheer her up.
Turning to the Conservative Party leadership, Liz Truss declined the opportunity to endorse any one of the candidates.
... an endorsement some of them, or all of them, might be relieved not to have.
She is of course still blaming the BoE and OBR for her failed tenure as PM.
She was welcomed to the theatre with scores of phones being lifted to take pictures - and her attacks on Sir Keir Starmer, Mr Sunak and "the establishment" were all met warmly.
Unlike Truss - Sunak did at least take full responsibility for not "delivering".
She's still the darling woman though to many, many of the party. And she definitely admires her own chutzpah.
ronib
My husband thought it was a mistake to join the EU in the first place. He would argue that we were misled then.
In what way?
Monica it was a very long time ago but I think he interpreted it to mean that we would no longer be an independent country.
"Tugendhat warns against Tories becoming Reform UK".
Very different message from Badenhoch in comparison between the two -
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2k9385xn7o
Warming to Tugendhat, I think he wants to rebuild something that is not "Reform lite"
Cleverly and Jenrick still too speak.
LizzieDrip
Apparently, according to Larry the Cat’s Twitter feed, if Kemi Badenoch wins the Tory leadership election all Labour MPs will be required to register it as a gift
Tugenhadt ‘s talk about abandoning the ECHR worries , otherwise he’s my top candidate.
Larry knows where the bodies are buried, pity he isn’t standing
Does anybody know whether Suella Braverman is backing any of the candidates, or if she is at the conference? I’ve heard nothing from or about her at all yet, which is surprising.
Iam64
LizzieDrip
Apparently, according to Larry the Cat’s Twitter feed, if Kemi Badenoch wins the Tory leadership election all Labour MPs will be required to register it as a gift
Tugenhadt ‘s talk about abandoning the ECHR worries , otherwise he’s my top candidate.
Larry knows where the bodies are buried, pity he isn’t standing
Larry knows where the bodies are buried, pity he isn’t standing
... if Larry could talk 
Tugenhadt ‘s talk about abandoning the ECHR worries , otherwise he’s my top candidate
Same here.
I believe it's only Belarus and Russia (expelled) who aren't signed up - all the other... what, 45 / 46?... European countries are. That, alone, makes me feel uncomfortable.
The ECHR protects the rights of those with disabilities. We might think those rights are protected by legislation here in the UK and that we don't need such safeguarding from this body - but who knows what a future government might do?
... it's about more than Rwanda and immigrants, or is a future Tory government going to be as fixated on this issue as the last one... and seek popularity among the electorate that way?
I was really disappointed to hear Tugenhadt’s comment about the ECHR as previously he would have been my favoured candidate. Keli Badenoch is too far to the right as her recent remarks about maternity leave show. Jenrick is now under scrutiny about political donations made to him. Earlier in the decade he was mired in a number of planning scandals when he was housing minister. That leaves Cleverley by default.
I must add, I am not a Conservative voter but think a stronge opposition is important.
Polling shows TT is best liked by the public but it's pretty obvious the Tory grassroots will go for KB if she gets onto the ballot. After all, they gave us Truss and we all know how that turned out.
Grantanow
Polling shows TT is best liked by the public but it's pretty obvious the Tory grassroots will go for KB if she gets onto the ballot. After all, they gave us Truss and we all know how that turned out.
Truss was also favoured by the grassroots, too. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it is KB.
It will be the electorate who will get them back in government though so maybe they should focus on a leader who is popular among it. However, KB appears to be popular on GN.
Who knows! It's interesting.
If I was a Tory I’d favour Tugenhadt. If I was a Labour supporter I’d hope Badenoch would win.
Personally, I wouldn't vote for any of them. The party needs some new blood with a fresh approach to this country's problems.
Kemibad enoch is a complete racist a disgrace to her heritage and colour. In the so called good old days of the UK she would have not been allowed as a girl guide leader. Worse still does she genuinely believe in those racist views or is it for a specific “nasty” audience.
Does she believe in traditional British values if kindness, generosity and fairness. I think not.
Conservatism is a discredited philosophy and the move towards fascism is really scary and I am fearful of my grandchildren.
Although we do try and teach them good correct moral values. Not the nasty party ones.
Liz Truss is a disgrace and dillusional.,Cant some other party have her please.
The problems facing Conservatives are going to continue. The Reform Party will be the main beneficiary I am thinking. Not sure what to say about that.
Tugendhat. He’s a solid politician and has a background in the military.
The Reform Party split the Tory vote in my marginal constituency (red wall). Our new Labour MP is good thankfully.
I hope the tories can re-build as Labour did after the electorate clearly rejected what it saw as extreme views. We need a strong, decent opposition. We do not need Kemi as its leader. She’s after the Reform voters
Kalm
Kemibad enoch is a complete racist a disgrace to her heritage and colour. In the so called good old days of the UK she would have not been allowed as a girl guide leader. Worse still does she genuinely believe in those racist views or is it for a specific “nasty” audience.
Does she believe in traditional British values if kindness, generosity and fairness. I think not.
Conservatism is a discredited philosophy and the move towards fascism is really scary and I am fearful of my grandchildren.
Although we do try and teach them good correct moral values. Not the nasty party ones.
Oh dear me.
Allsorts
Liz Truss is a disgrace and dillusional.,Cant some other party have her please.
... well, she might be a good fit for the Reform party (or is it still a company?), but - its first MP, Lee Anderson, once told a woman during a heated conversation to "keep out of Big-Boy politics"... so there would be a clash of personalities.
However, when she spoke at the Tory party conference - the auditorium was packed, so she still has a lot of support.
... and, she's on a mission! She explained during a quizzing by Tim Stanley from The Telegraph that she wanted to save "not just Britain but Western civilization". 
So don't write her off just yet!
Latest poll result. My guess is the final two will be Jenrick and Cleverly.
news.sky.com/story/tory-leadership-race-robert-jenrick-in-touching-distance-of-kemi-badenoch-poll-shows-13225609
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