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Who will be our next Conservative leader? Who is right for the job?

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Wyllow3 Sun 29-Sept-24 09:14:25

It’s the Conservative Party conference this week - we seem to have heard very little of it in the media - yet they are choosing the next opposition leader.

Jenrick, Badenhoch, Cleverly and Tugendhat:

What kind of Conservative Party will we see?

Here are the candidates:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c51y2lqzxl8o

pascal30 Mon 30-Sept-24 08:52:24

MayBee70

Rosie51

Badenoch is one of those who you can hear giving reasoned, intelligent points that get you thinking, yes you're right, then she carries on and you think oh for goodness' sake.....

I developed a bit of a soft spot for Hestletine when I heard his speech at the march asking for a second vote on the referendum on Brexit. He was so considered, yet so passionate. I suppose some came from combined crowd emotion, but there were lots with tears in their eyes.

He came to one of our people’s vote meetings. He was so ministerial. I felt as if I wanted to doff my cap or curtesy in front of him.

Hestletine is the only conservative I respect and like..

Merseymog Mon 30-Sept-24 09:08:34

I agree with poster about Michael Heseltine who is one of the few Tories I totally respect. Others are Anne Subury, Dominic Greave and Rory Stewart who all put principles over ambition and it cost them dear.

As for the current batch of leadership hopefuls none inspire me but the best in my view are Tom Hugenhat and James Cleverly.

However until the Tories accept that the damage done by Brexit not only damaged the country and sealed the longterm fate of the Tory party. So divisive, so toxic and should never have happened. Even Maggie Thatcher who was no friend of EU would never have let the uninformed have a referendum about something so important and so misunderstood.

eazybee Mon 30-Sept-24 09:17:14

Even Maggie Thatcher who was no friend of EU would never have let the uninformed have a referendum about something so important and so misunderstood.

How unbelievably patronising.

Wyllow3 Mon 30-Sept-24 09:38:11

Grantanow

The new leader will be elected by the Tory grassroots. This does not auger well as they gave us Truss last time. Obviously the grassroots are at the barmy end of Tory supporters.

Not a fair comment - I doubt many had an idea what the consequences of Truss would be, and voters will be all too aware.

I think a problem is how few actually end up voting as actual party membership is quite small. But I have no idea what local Conservative associations function and sift information, and especially what they feel is needed a this point. A centrist to bring the party together, or someone to the right to ward off loss to Reform?

MissAdventure Mon 30-Sept-24 09:42:05

Someone who has claimed no expenses, doesn't wear glasses, has no friends, and is absolutely brimming with integrity.

Dickens Mon 30-Sept-24 10:15:21

GrannyGravy13

Out of the current batch of contenders my vote goes to Tom Tugendhat.

I saw him interviewed by Laura Kuenssberg the other week, he explained about the part of the ECHR he thought wasn’t working for the U.K. regarding the deportation of failed asylum seekers.

Looking at Europe France, Germany and several other countries are deporting failed asylum seekers to their countries of origin.

I saw him interviewed by Laura Kuenssberg the other week, he explained about the part of the ECHR he thought wasn’t working for the U.K. regarding the deportation of failed asylum seekers.

I was under the impression that member states are not bound by all of the protocols and can choose whether or not to ratify them? As I understand it, the UK has not given formal consent to Protocol 4 - which protects the right not to be expelled from, or refused entry to, the country of one’s nationality?

Do people realise that if we withdraw from the ECHR it could create legal uncertainty around the areas of disability rights and free speech - because large bodies of Law have developed based on ECHR rights? Articulate as he is, did Tugendhat mention that?

All countries across Europe, including Turkey and Ukraine, are members of the Council of Europe. The only states which are not are Belarus - a rogue state - and Russia which was expelled. I hope we wouldn't be judged by the company we keep if we leave.

(All the above information was taken from the website "UK in a Changing Europe")

I think it will be either Jenrick or Badenoch - though Tugendhat is popular with the centrists, he did previously throw his weight behind Liz Truss!

Dickens Mon 30-Sept-24 10:30:00

eazybee

^Even Maggie Thatcher who was no friend of EU would never have let the uninformed have a referendum about something so important and so misunderstood.^

How unbelievably patronising.

It does appear patronising.

But I discovered just how much I didn't know about the functioning of the EU prior to the referendum. I would say I was uninformed - though I realise many others were not.

Didn't Winston Churchill once say 'The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." It doesn't get more patronising than that...

Did we grasp all the complexities involved prior to the referendum? I'm not sure I did, but I still voted.

Freya5 Mon 30-Sept-24 10:44:46

Just seen an article in the Guardian. Apparently Cleverly is the favourite among the public for leader. Rather generic, as the public don't vote for the Conservative leader, unless you're a member of said party. Anymore than the general public voted for the Labour leader etc.
As a Con servative, I'm not sure any of them are strong enough to lead us out of the unholy mess we are in.

Wyllow3 Mon 30-Sept-24 11:09:42

I think Cleverly is top in "name recognition" by the public and "known qualities" in uncertain times.

Wyllow3 Mon 30-Sept-24 11:11:45

MissAdventure

Someone who has claimed no expenses, doesn't wear glasses, has no friends, and is absolutely brimming with integrity.

Jenrick under some ?? here, but its more complicated than it seems.
www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/a1340994-Robert-Jenrick-accepts-75k-in-donations-from-company-with-unclear-origins

MayBee70 Mon 30-Sept-24 11:12:39

Well, they certainly know him in Stockton on Tees.

pascal30 Mon 30-Sept-24 11:22:18

Dickens

eazybee

Even Maggie Thatcher who was no friend of EU would never have let the uninformed have a referendum about something so important and so misunderstood.

How unbelievably patronising.

It does appear patronising.

But I discovered just how much I didn't know about the functioning of the EU prior to the referendum. I would say I was uninformed - though I realise many others were not.

Didn't Winston Churchill once say 'The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." It doesn't get more patronising than that...

Did we grasp all the complexities involved prior to the referendum? I'm not sure I did, but I still voted.

I agree Dickens and would go as far as to say the country was deliberately mislead.

ronib Mon 30-Sept-24 11:32:28

My husband thought it was a mistake to join the EU in the first place. He would argue that we were misled then.

escaped Mon 30-Sept-24 11:38:53

Possibly Cleverly. He seems less likely to go off on one against Starmer. We need measured debate.
Definitely not Kemi Badenhoch, she seems over the top and that won't help the party.

MayBee70 Mon 30-Sept-24 12:23:06

escaped

Possibly Cleverly. He seems less likely to go off on one against Starmer. We need measured debate.
Definitely not Kemi Badenhoch, she seems over the top and that won't help the party.

Did you hear what Anna Soubry said about her ( I’m quoting from what DH told me as I didn’t see it myself). She’s toxic. If you’re in a room with her she’ll argue with you. If she’s in a room on her own she’ll still be arguing.

lamusica Mon 30-Sept-24 13:14:37

None of them.

Wyllow3 Mon 30-Sept-24 13:25:36

I think that Brexit has been and gorn as far as the leadership contest is concerned, my chief interest as regards the leadership is that they want too have decent working relationships with Europe, trade, security wise internationally, yes on the vexed immigration question, not isolate us further.

Badenhoch is the one I see as most isolationist and I also feel she is one for extremes not working well within a party team.

Jenrick - had my eyes opened very recently as to his integrity as per the current revelations as in the thread on him.

So its Cleverly or Tugendhat I'd rather see.

Visgir1 Mon 30-Sept-24 13:28:22

I reckon the last 2 for the selection will turn out to be Cleverley and Tugenhut.

Ladyleftfieldlover Mon 30-Sept-24 13:34:53

Isn’t Jenrick the guy who demanded that cartoon characters should be painted over at an Asylum Centre? Apparently they were too welcoming for the children.

Dinahmo Mon 30-Sept-24 14:11:37

Yes, he was.

MissAdventure Mon 30-Sept-24 15:49:43

Well he sounds a real charmer.

LizzieDrip Mon 30-Sept-24 15:54:36

Yes, perfect for the Tory leadership … although my hypothetical vote (I don’t have a real one) is for Kemi. Come on Tories … vote for Kemi📣👋

Freya5 Mon 30-Sept-24 16:22:44

LizzieDrip

Yes, perfect for the Tory leadership … although my hypothetical vote (I don’t have a real one) is for Kemi. Come on Tories … vote for Kemi📣👋

Don't think any of them will listen to you, do you?? 😂

LizzieDrip Mon 30-Sept-24 16:25:26

No they won’t🤷‍♀️

Dickens Mon 30-Sept-24 16:29:22

ronib

My husband thought it was a mistake to join the EU in the first place. He would argue that we were misled then.

Your husband might well be one of those who've made it their business to 'keep-up' (as they say) with all the ins-and-outs of what our membership entailed.

As for being misled then - well governments always 'slant' their rhetoric don't they according to the outcome they hope for? However, technology has now made it possible to 'persuade' or steer people in a chosen direction - 'Vote Leave' spent upward of £2.5 million on targeting ads at specific groups of people on Facebook, for example. Something that wasn't possible during the initial referendum. No social media to propagate fake or misleading news - either way.

However, whether we were really misled when we joined the EEC is debatable.

In 73, Heath wrote for the London Illustrated News:

"The community which we are joining is far more than a common market. It is a community in the true sense of that term."
“It is concerned not only with the establishment of free trade, economic and monetary union and other major economic issues, important though these are — but also as the Paris Summit Meeting has demonstrated, with social issues which affect us all — environmental questions, working conditions in industry, consumer protection, aid to development areas and vocational training.”

... and this government pamphlet (I've still got mine) sent to every household in 75 which makes it clear that by remaining in the EC...
Britain has a ‘say in the future economic and political development of the Common Market.’

Were we misled? Did you see the NO campaign literature at the time, also distributed to every household - that made it quite clear?