Real concern - New white supremacist group in UK

The far right parties gaining ground throughout Europe all have a common thread. Uncontrolled immigration. It is causing all sorts of problems and many nationals in those countries are fed up with their successive Governments promising to do this, that and the other to curb migration but nothing ever happens. I am anti violence of any kind. It doesn't solve anything in my book but I was not surprised to see the recent riots exploding onto our streets. I was more surprised that they had taken so long.

'The only thing necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing'.

I’m not really surprised.
I don’t come across racism in my everyday life, I never have done.
That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, it means I don’t experience it.
When I worked in the inner city with a variety of people of of all different races and religions, well Christianity and Islam and no religion, I experienced no racism. Was that because I was the teacher? Maybe racism happened out on the street.
I live in an area that is almost exclusively white. There is a lady from South America who lives in my little Close, married to a white English man, but otherwise when I go out, everyone is white. I suspect that is the case for many of us living outside of cities.
I don’t pretend to understand the aims or objectives, whatever they are, of any white supremacist groups, but I don’t understand why other groups do other things either. I don’t join groups or political parties.
Don’t most of us just live quiet lives like I do?

petra

fancythat

Tribal wars abound.

That’s because at our core humans are tribal.

You are probably right.

I didn’t mention immigration but if that is your take on it you are entitled to your opinion.

fancythat

Tribal wars abound.

That’s because at our core humans are tribal.

Obviously, violence is very far from being an answer.

But as I say, completely ignoring a large group of people, isnt.
I feel I have gone around in a circle with my comments.

Yes all of that and then being completely surprised by the Brexit vote or the support for Reform.

Or belittling a group, or patronising them, or any number of things.
Or making up excuses, reasons.
Anything, rather than taking anything a group has to say, at all seriously.

At the same time as we are being told of the importance to listening to terrorist groups, or the problem will continue, we are also being told we shouldnt listen to the concerns of this particular group.

Or perhaps worse, dismissing them.

Totally ignoring any group of people, in any walk of like, anywhere, for a length of time,
is asking for trouble.

nanna8

Perhaps they feel ignored and threatened. Perhaps they feel there are not enough jobs available for them. Perhaps they feel no one listens to them. Perhaps they feel other groups are being favoured and given more than they are. Perhaps they feel indigenous people are being persecuted and they are treated more harshly than non indigenous people.

Maybe they just like blaming others.

indigenous people are being persecuted

Persecuted? How exactly? Ignored, excluded, left behind, undervalued. Yes I see that.

How is any of this connected with immigration?

Perhaps they feel ignored and threatened. Perhaps they feel there are not enough jobs available for them. Perhaps they feel no one listens to them. Perhaps they feel other groups are being favoured and given more than they are. Perhaps they feel indigenous people are being persecuted and they are treated more harshly than non indigenous people

All of this>

Perhaps they feel ignored and threatened. Perhaps they feel there are not enough jobs available for them. Perhaps they feel no one listens to them. Perhaps they feel other groups are being favoured and given more than they are. Perhaps they feel indigenous people are being persecuted and they are treated more harshly than non indigenous people.

Tribal wars abound.

nanna8

When my husband worked in Singapore he said there was a lot of racism between Malaysian and Chinese people. Really noticeable. It is not confined to one race.

A friend of mine who I met years ago at ante natal, hails from Penang and is ethnically Chinese and Buddhist, she's always told me that, the Chinese don't really get on with their Muslim compatriots in Malaysia. Ethnic divisions are sometimes exported abroad and there are deeper divisions within some immigrant communities than there are with the indigenous populations. .

WHY are people so concerned that they feel the need to gather in these groups? Do they have a point to make (even if they're not making it in the right way)

If we are talking about terrorism in this country then no I have very little concern about white supremacist groups.

MaizieD

eggplant

Tommy? Tommy who?

Rock Opera, Tommy, The Who. 1960s

Sorry, 1970s

Ah Roger Daltrey has something to say about society perhaps?

eggplant

Tommy? Tommy who?

Rock Opera, Tommy, The Who. 1960s

I'd be very concerned, as a few posters here are suggesting, that schools be responsible for imparting any form of political instruction early on to this group. Concerned for the welfare of the teachers, I mean.
Most knowledge is gained from tiktok, which is more far reaching than classroom instruction anyway. And more dangerous. It has become universal, not just UK.

Tommy? Tommy who?