Real concern - New white supremacist group in UK

The fact that the BBC have done a program on them and they are already known to police and security services, suggests that their cover is blown and tabs are being kept on them.

It is the extreme rightwing movements that we DON'T know of that worry me.

there was a men's outdoor clothing store that opened near here a while ago.
it had interesting looking clothes with a nordic sounding brand name.
then it was revealed that it was a front for and supporting with its profits a similar group, neo nazis.
it's quite concerning, people might have bought things without ever realising where the money was going.
the shop held out for a while, denying it, but closed down after a while.

Much as I appreciate Monica's point, I do find the groups we know about worrying in the extreme.

They are coming out of the woodwork all over Europe, and it is assuredly not what I want to see happening.

The problem is knowing how to stop them.

Very worrying. There was a similar group of 'like minded people' mainly low intellect, violent young men, during the 1960s.
I hope that the BBC investigation goes some way to outlawing this malignant organisation.

It's struck me how it's an international group. I hope you're right about tabs being kept and you are right in flagging up further concerns.

Another concern about these groups for me is how they treat women, I don't see a great future for us in these obsessive youth and violence cultures.

The thought makes my blood run cold.

I am concerned about all extreme organisations whether they be the one in the OP, so called far left groups or Islamist Clerics preaching Jihad.

Fortunately we have an excellent Secret Service in the U.K. and I am sure they are aware of the majority of them.

I also bear in mind that these organisations only have to be on target once to cause death and destruction, our authorities have to be on target 100% of the time to prevent such incidents.

Nasty. I would dismiss it as just a bunch of yobs but it seems a bit more serious than that. The only thing is ,these people are often as thick as two short planks, so it may be relatively easy to infiltrate and destroy them.

But their leaders aren't, nanna8.

Its an international organisation with a great deal of experience of running such groups imported from the USA who are expert at how to "present" themselves - as in the O/P
"*Guidance on how to avoid police detection"

If these groups are "coming out of the woodwork" then there is a reason for it. Some people are not finding a voice in the so called mainstream political parties and are sick of being drowned out by the woke brigade and the neo liberals. The label "racism" has been weaponised to deter all adult discussion on immigration and asylum seekers.

Wyllow3

But their leaders aren't, nanna8.

Its an international organisation with a great deal of experience of running such groups imported from the USA who are expert at how to "present" themselves - as in the O/P
"*Guidance on how to avoid police detection"

Absolutely. I too find it extremely worrying that groups such as this target our disenfranchised young men!

biglouis

If these groups are "coming out of the woodwork" then there is a reason for it. Some people are not finding a voice in the so called mainstream political parties and are sick of being drowned out by the woke brigade and the neo liberals. The label "racism" has been weaponised to deter all adult discussion on immigration and asylum seekers.

Sorry, but that’s a nonsense, as is using the word “woke”, in my humble opinion.

If you feel that there are people who are not being listened to, and to some extent I do agree here, there are much better ways to get one’s voice heard.

The very fact that they are only targeting young men, in the same way as Andrew state, is also a worry, especially for those of us with daughters or grand daughters.

But biglouis, what contact have these young men ever had with mainstream politics or even knowledge of? Or a working knowledge of our political system? Or have they just grown up as many do, not knowing what an MP does, or even a local councillor does? Or bothered to register to vote? Or understand issues to do with women and domestic violence, which is so prevalent?

Wyllow3

But biglouis, what contact have these young men ever had with mainstream politics or even knowledge of? Or a working knowledge of our political system? Or have they just grown up as many do, not knowing what an MP does, or even a local councillor does? Or bothered to register to vote? Or understand issues to do with women and domestic violence, which is so prevalent?

Also I meant Andrew Tate (Flipping auto correct)

When I was at school I recall a teacher telling us he expected by the time we his classroom had grown into old people that the world would be full of coffee coloured people. His idealism stuck with me but I soon realised the world is full of rascists. That he was probably quite wrong.

biglouis

If these groups are "coming out of the woodwork" then there is a reason for it. Some people are not finding a voice in the so called mainstream political parties and are sick of being drowned out by the woke brigade and the neo liberals. The label "racism" has been weaponised to deter all adult discussion on immigration and asylum seekers.

I agree, and I also agree with *Cossy that young adults should be taught how the world works; I know my daughter weren't at school, and if I said anything, it was, 'ugh, no it's boring'!

However, ever thought that all this may be deliberate? In fact, everything that has happened in the last 4 years?

Lets take immigration ...
There are 2 types of migrant.
1 - families including women & children that have paid the smuggling gangs to be crammed into a dodgy dinghy and no life jackets are drowning in the Channel
2 - MEN ONLY, in better boats, not crammed in, wearing bright orange matching life jackets, that our Navy/Coastguard/Border Force/RNLI and the new Border Security Command seem unable to see using Radar, drones, binoculars or even the naked eye? They cannot STOP THE BOATS because they are bringing them in!

Deliberate policy of the UN, 'Replacement Migration'. It's been planned for decades ...

www.un.org/development/desa/pd/sites/www.un.org.development.desa.pd/files/unpd-egm_200010_un_2001_replacementmigration.pdf

I see one such person several times a week. He is a solicitor opposite where I volunteer.

Its a strange thing this sense of being aggrieved. Trump seems to use it a lot.

Sounds horrible.
What’s the point of them?
Do they have an objective?

Cossy

biglouis

If these groups are "coming out of the woodwork" then there is a reason for it. Some people are not finding a voice in the so called mainstream political parties and are sick of being drowned out by the woke brigade and the neo liberals. The label "racism" has been weaponised to deter all adult discussion on immigration and asylum seekers.

Sorry, but that’s a nonsense, as is using the word “woke”, in my humble opinion.

If you feel that there are people who are not being listened to, and to some extent I do agree here, there are much better ways to get one’s voice heard.

The very fact that they are only targeting young men, in the same way as Andrew state, is also a worry, especially for those of us with daughters or grand daughters.

I think it is quite far from being a nonsense.

^If you feel that there are people who are not being listened to, and to some extent I do agree here, there are much better ways to get one’s voice heard.
^

The whole subject has been debated endlessly, everywhere. Not even just in the UK.
What has changed in the last 10 years?

Those who feel ignored, what would they like to say?

I read somewhere that Denmark have a problem with white supremacy groups, but prob most countries in Europe do.

white supremacy groups, but prob most countries in Europe do

Across Europe it is younger voters who are shifting to the right. Let us remember that much of their political ^knowledge" is gained from social media and sites like TikTok et al. I believe that young far-right voters will shape European politics for years, if not decades, to come.

Here in UK time will show whether the shock popular performance of the Reform Party was an outburst of protest voting or the beginning of a seismic shift in the country’s politics, as voters become increasingly disenchanted with mainstream political parties.

I think there is a feeling that the indigenous people are being neglected. Which,in some instances, is probably true.