Almost 1,000 migrants crossed the Channel yesterday.

There’s a notice up in our doctor’s surgery nanna8 it states “no ID necessary to be seen by a doctor”.

Come one come all it seems.
We offer too much. It’s definitely a pull factor in the UK.
France offers very little by comparison and they think we are too generous.

Until the powers that be get a grip we just have to put up with it.

winterwhite

If capable immigrants were allowed to work, their contribution would be positive.
Much of this thread is close to hate talk.

Exactly!

Sorry HousePlantQueen, I missed the irony bit.

Lisaangel10

Albanian Convicted criminal has been given leave to stay here now (although he came here illegally) because he got his Lithuanian girlfriend pregnant, who lives here! That is thanks to ECHR rules.

Yes, I’ve just heard that. Unbelievable.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

We have to prove who we are every time we visit the doctor and you can’t enrol your child in school unless you can prove where you live,if you are in that ‘zone’ and exactly who you are. We don’t have to show anything to buy food or clothes but you do if you stay in a hotel or motel. Just accepted, no one cares. No big deal.

Calendargirl

eggplant

Sarnia

Let's hope for a very stormy winter to deter sailing!

Dear me, what have we become.

I think the poster thinks that if the weather is very stormy, it may put off people attempting such a dangerous crossing.

I agree with her actually.

Thank you. That is what I meant but reading it again I can see why it could be misinterpreted. I wrote that post after the deaths in the Channel this weekend. A needless loss of 4 lives all because the politicians have plenty to say but do nothing.

maddyfour

Nothing I say will make any difference so just best to get on with my own life and accept that our government, both now and the last one, are happy with the situation.

Sad but true maddyfour.
Until one day they realise the situation is untenable. Or that voters really don’t like it.

eggplant

I would be willing to bet there is great care taken to ensure the illegal immigrants get carefully told every penny they are due for....

That's an interesting idea. How does that work please? Are there extra staff who just deal with immigrants?

Probably; there are 2 queues at the job centre you know. One for the deserving indigenous population and one for bogus asylum seekers.

Irony alert for some on here

I now call them ‘irregular migrants’ so as not to offend some folk. Woke nonsense really but there you go.

I used to get roundly castigated on these threads for calling them ‘illegals’. No such thing (apparently).

Charities such as Care4Calais advise potential migrants what they can claim, what phrases are useful etc. There have been many articles written on their (in my opinion) meddling.

CariadAgain

....and yet I wonder how many of "our own" have problems getting due benefits?

I had several spells of unemployment back in the 1980's (ie until I got a job that I clung onto VERY determinedly until retirement). This was back before all the benefit cuts started being made in a lot of respects. So in I went and put in my claim for "Dole" money the first time this happened, filled in the form in person in front of a DWP person and she then proceeded to tell me the amount I was due - and it equated to what a married woman would get (ie no rent money)! (Bear in mind - my left hand was clearly on view - ie no wedding ring on it and I had clearly stated my single person cirumstances, including paying rent on a flatlet). Thankfully I was very well aware of what I was due for and I told her - to the penny - what they were due to pay me. She altered it - she did not apologise for the mistake/"mistake". I did miss out on a little bit later on getting back into work (as I thought Dole would be paying me only up to the day before I started work - but, at that time, they did make a transitional payment - which no-one told me about.......and so I lost that money).

I would be willing to bet there is great care taken to ensure the illegal immigrants get carefully told every penny they are due for....

illegal migrants (horrid term) do not get paid benefits. But don't let the truth get in the way

I would be willing to bet there is great care taken to ensure the illegal immigrants get carefully told every penny they are due for....

That's an interesting idea. How does that work please? Are there extra staff who just deal with immigrants?

Freya5

silverlining48

That is simply not true. According to the UK governments own figures the UK take lower numbers of refugees than average and are 17 th on the list of countries .
Not top. Nowhere near.

So headlines this morning are wrong are they. ??.

Can you post a link to the study that this information was taken from please Freya5, as the Telegraph is behind a paywall?

The number of immigrants was BBC fact checked during Question time.

The statement made was correct, and Fiona Bruce apologised.

silverlining48

That is simply not true. According to the UK governments own figures the UK take lower numbers of refugees than average and are 17 th on the list of countries .
Not top. Nowhere near.

So headlines this morning are wrong are they. ??.

HousePlantQueen

nanna8

Don’t you already have ID cards in the form of driving licences which have to be shown for certain things? If not licences you have to have photo ID don’t you ? To open bank accounts, go to certain eating places ( RSL) buy large items. Surely ?

Yes, ID is needed for opening a bank account and such, but posters such as BigLouis were suggesting that ID cards should be shown when anyone needs medical services, education, buy food etc., a very different scenario and one which I want no part of.

Bring it on. This happens in most of Europe,they live with it perfectly happily. We should too.

....and yet I wonder how many of "our own" have problems getting due benefits?

I had several spells of unemployment back in the 1980's (ie until I got a job that I clung onto VERY determinedly until retirement). This was back before all the benefit cuts started being made in a lot of respects. So in I went and put in my claim for "Dole" money the first time this happened, filled in the form in person in front of a DWP person and she then proceeded to tell me the amount I was due - and it equated to what a married woman would get (ie no rent money)! (Bear in mind - my left hand was clearly on view - ie no wedding ring on it and I had clearly stated my single person cirumstances, including paying rent on a flatlet). Thankfully I was very well aware of what I was due for and I told her - to the penny - what they were due to pay me. She altered it - she did not apologise for the mistake/"mistake". I did miss out on a little bit later on getting back into work (as I thought Dole would be paying me only up to the day before I started work - but, at that time, they did make a transitional payment - which no-one told me about.......and so I lost that money).

I would be willing to bet there is great care taken to ensure the illegal immigrants get carefully told every penny they are due for....

Lisasngel10 here are just a few examples of how the ECHR has improved life for the UK population:

*Freedom of expression for the press comes from a case known as Sunday Times from 1979.

*The decriminalisation of homosexual acts in Northern Ireland came about thanks to a case called Dudgeon from 1981.

*A case called Smith and Grady made clear that banning LGBT+ people from serving in the Armed Forces breaches human rights.

*A Liberty case known as Eweida, said the State has to make sure private companies respect the religious freedom of their employees.

*A case called Goodwin made clear the State has a duty to provide disabled people with appropriate care.

IMO it will be a dark, dark day for this country if we leave the ECHR … that’s when I would really fear for the future and for my grandchildren.

I've said before that they should be allowed to work straightaway and given accommodation.
If after 6 months things haven't progressed, then at that point they need to be sent on their way.

I agree, we are a "soft touch". I had discussions about this with friends in France last month and asked why the immigrants weren't staying put there. They wryly replied that France isn't as generous to them as the UK, and that they are as good as being told that that UK will treat them better. In simple terms, the people of France don't want any more.
So much for a joined-up thinking!

CariadAgain

Sending them to areas of our country most of us don't want to live in may actually be one possible solution imo - ie wilder parts of Scotland.

But - yep....I'm another one that is worried about just how many extra people we have because the illegals keep coming and we are seen as a soft touch (even though many of our own are going short of what they need).

I'd quite like to live in Scotland. The people there are hospitable and hardy. Perhaps ideal neighbours for those in need.

" illegal" is a nasty term.

Sending them to areas of our country most of us don't want to live in may actually be one possible solution imo - ie wilder parts of Scotland.

But - yep....I'm another one that is worried about just how many extra people we have because the illegals keep coming and we are seen as a soft touch (even though many of our own are going short of what they need).

Albanian Convicted criminal has been given leave to stay here now (although he came here illegally) because he got his Lithuanian girlfriend pregnant, who lives here! That is thanks to ECHR rules.

nanna8

Send to the underpopulated areas like Scotland who like to receive them and welcome them .

It’s the same in Scotland as it is in the rest of the UK. There are those who welcome them and those who don’t.
Same re ID cards. There are those who have no problem with them and those who see them as something to be avoided.

I’m not sure you understand the system nanna8. They are distributed by central government throughout the UK already, each Local Authority area has responsibility.