Almost 1,000 migrants crossed the Channel yesterday.

According to a report by Tower Hamlets council nearly 80% of Somalians are benefit dependent.

Just about all Somalians in the UK were originally asylum seekers yet flights from UK airports to Somalia are full of former asylum seekers going home on holiday while fresh Somali asylum seekers arrive.

So fleeing - but holidaying? How does that one square the circle?

We really are soft.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Where has Yvette Cooper disappeared to?
That strong opinionated feisty women who was going to sort out illegal immigration?
Oh … she is busy booking more hotels.

More hotels that Starmer said would not be used by Labour. 🤣

Where has Yvette Cooper disappeared to?
That strong opinionated feisty women who was going to sort out illegal immigration?
Oh … she is busy booking more hotels.

BevSec

Friedgreentomatoes 2 daily Fail for me! I like the columnists, Richard Littlejohn, Tom Utley, Boris, Nadine Dorries. Imo they speak for the silent, sensible majority.

Well I only read a few DM news items online and also articles in the Guardian, Independent and others but:

Nadine Dorries and silent, sensible are not really words that belong in the same sentence, surely!

It seems so Casdon.

Upon reflection, I think it might be okay if I just say (chattily) “I read in the DM today that …”
Or the Telegraph or whatever.

That’d be ‘my source’ and would perhaps be enough. Obviously if folk then wish to say “hang on a minute”then of course that’s fine too.

Count me in,!

The truth is, none of us is going to change, are we, so it’s a case of like it or lump it from all quarters, your fun post about politics is my trigger, my posting links to information is your trigger. Sorry, but not sorry FriedGreenTomatoes2, because that’s just the reality, isn’t it?

Friedgreentomatoes 2 daily Fail for me! I like the columnists, Richard Littlejohn, Tom Utley, Boris, Nadine Dorries. Imo they speak for the silent, sensible majority.

The more the merrier bevsec as long as you agree to wash all the dishes after our many snacks😄

Can I belong too please?

Hi FriedGreenTomatoes2

You introduced and interesting point yourself early on the thread - via using a web ref on other countries adopting a Rwanda" plan

It then led to an informative discussion on the difference between other countries use of "out of country" migrant processing ie Germany and Italy both who had different schemes, and people posted what they were.

without your quote the discussion wouldn't have happened, and I'm glad you posted it, as I learnt a lot, but.....

@letsbeevenhanded

Nothing is stopping you from posting about things you believe are inaccurate Casdon least of all me, but expect others to feel exasperated too if you constantly demand proof.
Me, I’d just ignore those demands and carry on.

Incidentally the title of the OP is a true one and does include the word ‘yesterday’ and wasn’t claiming that vast number every single day.
Yvette Cooper may well be beavering away behind the scenes and it’s early days for her yet but nothing of substance has come along so far.
So, all in all, a quite reasonable OP for us to discuss.

Oreo

Casdon

There are plenty of thread topics other than controversial areas of news and politics though FriedGreenTomatoes2. If you post inaccurate information about controversial topics you are bound to get informed people pointing out the facts - it’s inevitable. I know it’s tempting to start controversial threads, but do it in the knowledge that others will not always play the way you’d like them to.

Sounding like sour grapes, informed people?😄 what makes you think that most on GN are not informed?
So if you don’t like a thread title you name it ‘controversial’ do you? Wasn’t aware of anyone playing either.
If you consider others to be your equal on here you won’t go far wrong.

I did not say most on Gransnet were uninformed Oreo? I said that people posting on News and Politics should be informed if they don’t want their views challenged. There’s no sour grapes on my part, I’m just a pain in the ass who likes facts - and I don’t mind at all if you don’t like me pointing out when people post inaccurate things, that’s what I’ll continue to do.

Casdon

I agree that there is nothing wrong with a post which seeks to find out who is claiming asylum and why, but that isn’t what this is, it is a controversial thread GrannyGravy13.

It picks on the number of migrants on one day and implies that is the norm, when it isn’t.

It says Yvette Cooper hasn’t said anything about it, and implies she isn’t doing anything other than ‘smashing the gangs’ when she is and it’s been in the news.

It’s one of a series of posts saying the same thing made by a very limited number of posters, designed to set the cat among the pigeons is what it is.

The OP doesn’t imply its the norm

The OP just points out the number of migrants who arrived on Saturday 5th October.

These figures are available daily on the Government’s website.

There is an asylum seeker in France, he has a tattoo of a Kalashnikov rifle on his cheek. He is constantly posting on social media his intention of shooting Nigel Farage once he is in the U.K.

Is he legally seeking asylum? And he will be granted asylum?

If he achieves his aim, where will the support go? ? Asylum seekers or anti Farage?

Casdon

I agree that there is nothing wrong with a post which seeks to find out who is claiming asylum and why, but that isn’t what this is, it is a controversial thread GrannyGravy13.

It picks on the number of migrants on one day and implies that is the norm, when it isn’t.

It says Yvette Cooper hasn’t said anything about it, and implies she isn’t doing anything other than ‘smashing the gangs’ when she is and it’s been in the news.

It’s one of a series of posts saying the same thing made by a very limited number of posters, designed to set the cat among the pigeons is what it is.

In your opinion of course.

But Wyllow (I knew you’d arrive 😊) there are SO many sources one COULD quote, or polls, or articles from (various) newspapers. Who could be that bothered to cross reference them all? Not me, that for sure.
#lazygran

The Guardian will report a news item with their slant, The Telegraph another and those (on here, a lot) deride the most popular and best selling Daily Mail.

So, they sneer and call it the Daily Fail. Snobbish in my opinion.

Ah well, I’ve put my thoughts down and feel better for getting my frustrations about turgid threads off my chest! So many links (some posters posit several of the buggers on a single post - ye gods!) and requests for them are becoming tiresome. Again, just my opinion.

Say something is best - and if others want to shoot it down, fair enough, it’s their prerogative of course. Healthy debate is good. But this constant exhortation for chapter and verse backing up from whence an opinion comes from is deadly dull.
No wonder most N&P threads are but an echo chamber of the same ernest folk. I bet many read (or better still skim over them) and either think “no, I daren’t engage I’m not intellectual enough” or are wary of getting piled on by said protagonists.

Daily Fail anyone?

or not of

Oreo

GrannyGravy13

His name is Mada Pasa, he is from Afghanistan and has posted his journey to the U.K. on TikTok.

He has apparently now arrived here.

Should be immediately detained and deported.

I wouldn’t hold your breath or take bets on that happening.

Why let facts and evidence get in the way of opinion and gossip presented as truth?

FriedTomatoes at least be brave enough to name the ‘one of two usual suspects’. I take it I’m one🤷‍♀️

I agree that there is nothing wrong with a post which seeks to find out who is claiming asylum and why, but that isn’t what this is, it is a controversial thread GrannyGravy13.

It picks on the number of migrants on one day and implies that is the norm, when it isn’t.

It says Yvette Cooper hasn’t said anything about it, and implies she isn’t doing anything other than ‘smashing the gangs’ when she is and it’s been in the news.

It’s one of a series of posts saying the same thing made by a very limited number of posters, designed to set the cat among the pigeons is what it is.

GrannyGravy13

His name is Mada Pasa, he is from Afghanistan and has posted his journey to the U.K. on TikTok.

He has apparently now arrived here.

Should be immediately detained and deported.

Well Wyllow3 we can look things up, if sufficiently interested.
I did on the Albanian prisoners in the UK, it’s a high number and you can easily google this as you can on almost any subject.
Demanding evidence as if in a court case is ridiculous.

Casdon

There are plenty of thread topics other than controversial areas of news and politics though FriedGreenTomatoes2. If you post inaccurate information about controversial topics you are bound to get informed people pointing out the facts - it’s inevitable. I know it’s tempting to start controversial threads, but do it in the knowledge that others will not always play the way you’d like them to.

Sounding like sour grapes, informed people?😄 what makes you think that most on GN are not informed?
So if you don’t like a thread title you name it ‘controversial’ do you? Wasn’t aware of anyone playing either.
If you consider others to be your equal on here you won’t go far wrong.