One Nation Conservatives

What kind of values and agenda would you like the leader of the Conservatives to have FriedGreenTomatoes? How would he/she be different from Reform?

fancythat

^and the centre right could reform as the New Conservatives,^

What would be the difference between them and The Labour Party?

If you’ve just read the definition of one Nation Tories, you would understand the difference.

The Labour Party was formed as a result of “one nation Toryism”

There will be areas in which it would be difficult to define the difference, but in areas such as employment law, tax (generally), welfare state etc there is and always has been a clear difference.

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and the centre right could reform as the New Conservatives,

What would be the difference between them and The Labour Party?

vegansrock

They aren’t backing either leadership candidate , which suggests a split in the party.

I think I personally would be glad.

I think it might help everyone.

Dont think it would happen though. In my opinion. Could be proved wrong!
In my opinion in life, many organisations talk about splitting. But it doesnt happen.

There is still an element of paternalism in the Tory party, but it is tiny compared to its heyday.

It can be epitomised in The Tory Reform Group, which
declines to endorse either leadership candidate amid fears lurch to the right could split party.

Imo it would be no bad thing. The far right can then join forces with Farage and his band of weirdos, and the centre right could reform as the New Conservatives, almost certainly attracting more financial support from Tory supporters.

growstuff

Looking at the values in Wyllow's list ... the very first statement contrasting patriotism and narrow nationalism most certainly isn't in tune with Reform.

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They aren’t backing either leadership candidate , which suggests a split in the party.

Looking at the values in Wyllow's list ... the very first statement contrasting patriotism and narrow nationalism most certainly isn't in tune with Reform.

fancythat

From what people are saying on here, gathering from several posts, it seems to me that the non One Party Tory MPs are more in tune with Reform?

So the Conservative Party would be better off splitting itself in two? Rather than constant infighting amongst itself?
Which helps no one?

Please could you explain why you think that because it doesn't seem like that to me.

TBH I don't really know where the majority of backbench MP's stand Fancythat, it would need a Party insider to explain?

Won't a lot depend on that? and whether the new leader has the sort of character to compromise and bring the party together, or end up being divisive?

From what people are saying on here, gathering from several posts, it seems to me that the non One Party Tory MPs are more in tune with Reform?

So the Conservative Party would be better off splitting itself in two? Rather than constant infighting amongst itself?
Which helps no one?

Presumably within the Conservative Party it was felt - and still is by One Nation Conservatives - that some in the party had so departed from these basic principles in terms of policy specifics aims it was/is necessary to re state them firmly.

Casdon

No, it doesn’t encapsulate the values of the right fancythat, which is why there’s such a divide in the party. Fundamentally their belief is survival of the fittest.

I agree!

MaizieD

^Key One-Nation Conservative thinker, Benjamin Disraeli, argued that it was in the interests of the ruling elite to adopt a stance of paternalism towards those less fortunate. Such an approach forms the basis of One-Nation Conservatism, as Disraeli observed that the interconnectedness of society meant that an issue amongst the working classes resulted in a widespread impact across a whole nation. Therefore, according to Disraeli’s vision, the ruling class had an obligation to look out for the lower classes to provide social stability^

I think in the Disraeli era (mid Victorian) our FGT2 would have been the factory owner who had child workers doing 15 hour shifts for minimal pay (yes, it happened). Right wing distaste for anything that suggests some sort of concern for their fellow humans is what makes tories so unattractive.

Indeed it does!

Thank you for posting that Wyllow. I came across the list yesterday and was going to post it. I agree with you Casdon. I don't think that everyone (certainly not those on the right) agree with the values.

If any political party published those values as its manifesto, I would think seriously about voting for it. Obviously, I'd want some specifics, but the list is a good starting point.

MaizieD

^The 1833 Factory Act forbade the employment of children aged 9-13 for more than 8 hours daily, 13-18 years 12 hours daily. Dreadful now but then (1833) innovative, and checked and enforced by Inspectors.^

You should try reading some actual researched history, eazybee instead of the fantasy version taught in schools. For a start, factory inspectors barely existed and the acts disregarded with impunity.

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The 1833 Factory Act forbade the employment of children aged 9-13 for more than 8 hours daily, 13-18 years 12 hours daily. Dreadful now but then (1833) innovative, and checked and enforced by Inspectors.

You should try reading some actual researched history, eazybee instead of the fantasy version taught in schools. For a start, factory inspectors barely existed and the acts disregarded with impunity.

No, it doesn’t encapsulate the values of the right fancythat, which is why there’s such a divide in the party. Fundamentally their belief is survival of the fittest.

Wyllow3

I found a declaration of Values from One Nation as follows: (2019) - the ones on Social Responsibility and Public Services of particular interest? It also gives a list of MP's at that time who were committed to it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Nation_Conservatives_(caucus)#:~:text=The%20One%20Nation%20Conservatives%20is,identify%20as%20one%2Dnation%20conservatives.

*The United Kingdom: we believe in the United Kingdom as the embodiment of our shared values and as a force for good in defending our values in the world: we are patriotic Conservatives who reject narrow nationalism.

*Active global leadership: we believe the UK must be a leader on the world stage through our aid, trade and security commitments to tackle global challenges as a global citizen, through a strong defence and soft power commitment.

*Life Chances: we believe that everyone in our country – whoever and wherever they are from – has an equal right to a fair chance in life, and that bold reforms to welfare & vocational skills are central to tackling social injustice and creating an opportunity society.

*Social Responsibility: we believe in a strong society, and a social contract between all of us as fellow citizens, supported in our tax and welfare system.

*Public Services: we believe in our public services, properly funded by a growing economy, as fundamental to the wellbeing of our nation, in a mixed economy of public, private and third sector providers.

*Localism: we believe in the importance of place and Conservatives supporting the local, civic and voluntary over the bureaucratic, statist and compulsory.

*Environmental Stewardship: we believe that we all have a responsibility to act as stewards of our local and global environment, for the next generation, and as a duty to show global leadership on climate change and biodiversity.

*Markets and values: we believe in free enterprise, business and the market economy with a framework of good regulation to enhance competition, support innovation, break monopolies, empower citizens and reflect our shared values.

*Law and Human rights: we believe in universal human rights and the rule of law and are proud of our country and Party's record in promoting them through an independent judiciary, effective enforcement, community policing & policies to prevent crime & social breakdown.

*Democratic renewal: we believe that civilised, open respectful political debate in our Party, Parliament & free press, and a vibrant arts & cultural sector, is fundamental to strengthening the health of our society and democracy.

Thank you.

But doesnt everyone believe in most of that anyway?

Most people from most Political Parties?

I think in the Disraeli era (mid Victorian) our FGT2 would have been the factory owner who had child workers doing 15 hour shifts for minimal pay (yes, it happened). Right wing distaste for anything that suggests some sort of concern for their fellow humans is what makes tories so unattractive.

Absolutely wrong.
The 1833 Factory Act forbade the employment of children aged 9-13 for more than 8 hours daily, 13-18 years 12 hours daily. Dreadful now but then (1833) innovative, and checked and enforced by Inspectors.
The describing phrase 'one-nation Tory' originated with Benjamin Disraeli (1804–1881), who served as the chief Conservative spokesman and became Prime Minister in February 1868. He devised it to appeal to working-class people, who he hoped would see it as a way to improve their lives via factory and health acts as well as greater protection for workers. The ideology featured heavily during Disraeli's two terms in government, during which considerable social reforms were passed by the Parliament of the United Kingdom. He believed passionately that the privileged have a responsibility towards the poor.

(Noticed Tom Tugendhat was a member)

I found a declaration of Values from One Nation as follows: (2019) - the ones on Social Responsibility and Public Services of particular interest? It also gives a list of MP's at that time who were committed to it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Nation_Conservatives_(caucus)#:~:text=The%20One%20Nation%20Conservatives%20is,identify%20as%20one%2Dnation%20conservatives.

*The United Kingdom: we believe in the United Kingdom as the embodiment of our shared values and as a force for good in defending our values in the world: we are patriotic Conservatives who reject narrow nationalism.

*Active global leadership: we believe the UK must be a leader on the world stage through our aid, trade and security commitments to tackle global challenges as a global citizen, through a strong defence and soft power commitment.

*Life Chances: we believe that everyone in our country – whoever and wherever they are from – has an equal right to a fair chance in life, and that bold reforms to welfare & vocational skills are central to tackling social injustice and creating an opportunity society.

*Social Responsibility: we believe in a strong society, and a social contract between all of us as fellow citizens, supported in our tax and welfare system.

*Public Services: we believe in our public services, properly funded by a growing economy, as fundamental to the wellbeing of our nation, in a mixed economy of public, private and third sector providers.

*Localism: we believe in the importance of place and Conservatives supporting the local, civic and voluntary over the bureaucratic, statist and compulsory.

*Environmental Stewardship: we believe that we all have a responsibility to act as stewards of our local and global environment, for the next generation, and as a duty to show global leadership on climate change and biodiversity.

*Markets and values: we believe in free enterprise, business and the market economy with a framework of good regulation to enhance competition, support innovation, break monopolies, empower citizens and reflect our shared values.

*Law and Human rights: we believe in universal human rights and the rule of law and are proud of our country and Party's record in promoting them through an independent judiciary, effective enforcement, community policing & policies to prevent crime & social breakdown.

*Democratic renewal: we believe that civilised, open respectful political debate in our Party, Parliament & free press, and a vibrant arts & cultural sector, is fundamental to strengthening the health of our society and democracy.

They are the ones that have been got rid of. Unfortunately.