One Nation Conservatives

This is the ‘broad church’ they say they are. Come one come all. Mostly wets and Lib Dems in disguise. Cleverly was one. I’m glad he’s out of the running for Tory leader.

Key One-Nation Conservative thinker, Benjamin Disraeli, argued that it was in the interests of the ruling elite to adopt a stance of paternalism towards those less fortunate. Such an approach forms the basis of One-Nation Conservatism, as Disraeli observed that the interconnectedness of society meant that an issue amongst the working classes resulted in a widespread impact across a whole nation. Therefore, according to Disraeli’s vision, the ruling class had an obligation to look out for the lower classes to provide social stability

I think in the Disraeli era (mid Victorian) our FGT2 would have been the factory owner who had child workers doing 15 hour shifts for minimal pay (yes, it happened). Right wing distaste for anything that suggests some sort of concern for their fellow humans is what makes tories so unattractive.

There was a One Nation party in Australia headed by Pauline Hanson. Based in Queensland, the media crucified them . A bit like Reform but less successful.

The bits I read, sounded like gobbledegook to me.

That was in reply to FGT2.

Thanks for that MaizieD, explains it perfectly.

Casdon

Thanks for that MaizieD, explains it perfectly.

You can tell by the formatting that I lifted the description from another site. I forgot to link to it. Such elegantly succinct prose wasn't mine 😆

Well, it was good, wherever it came from!

Disraeli was the po;itician who developed and first used the phrase 'One nation Conservatives', and this description could be used to describe the whole Conservative political generation that came from the battle fields of Europe and Asia in WW2 to govern this country.

Many of them had experienced and seen things that would give most of todays politicians permanent PTSD and were aware that facism grew by dividing society into 'us' and 'them'. They wanted to unite society, which was the guiding principle behind the Education Act on 1944, brought in by a Conservative Administration, which extended free secondary educationto all. This was built on by the Labour government hat followed and who created the NHS and later (60s-70s) conservative governments, who did nothing to deconstruct these and built on them.

Then came 1979, and Mrs Thatcher, and the Victorian millowners were in charge again. Inevitably this drove the Labour party leftwards and we are back to Fascism and 'us' and 'them' .

Under this system we veer between the factory owners and Animal Farm Socialists, who believe that 'All our equal, but some are more equal than others' as they bury their snouts in the trough and gobble up everything the factory owners or anyone else wants to give them and completely forget that when people fatten up pigs, there is a reason for it.

The "moderate" Conservatives are the "One Nation" Conservatives. They were, for example, against breaching the rule of law so didn't like the Rwanda bill.
I think the "Build Back Greener" thing was put forward by one of them and they supported trying to tackle climate change...

They are pro people being upwardly mobile and want a safety net for those that need one.

This is my understanding.

They are the ones that have been got rid of. Unfortunately.

I found a declaration of Values from One Nation as follows: (2019) - the ones on Social Responsibility and Public Services of particular interest? It also gives a list of MP's at that time who were committed to it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Nation_Conservatives_(caucus)#:~:text=The%20One%20Nation%20Conservatives%20is,identify%20as%20one%2Dnation%20conservatives.

*The United Kingdom: we believe in the United Kingdom as the embodiment of our shared values and as a force for good in defending our values in the world: we are patriotic Conservatives who reject narrow nationalism.

*Active global leadership: we believe the UK must be a leader on the world stage through our aid, trade and security commitments to tackle global challenges as a global citizen, through a strong defence and soft power commitment.

*Life Chances: we believe that everyone in our country – whoever and wherever they are from – has an equal right to a fair chance in life, and that bold reforms to welfare & vocational skills are central to tackling social injustice and creating an opportunity society.

*Social Responsibility: we believe in a strong society, and a social contract between all of us as fellow citizens, supported in our tax and welfare system.

*Public Services: we believe in our public services, properly funded by a growing economy, as fundamental to the wellbeing of our nation, in a mixed economy of public, private and third sector providers.

*Localism: we believe in the importance of place and Conservatives supporting the local, civic and voluntary over the bureaucratic, statist and compulsory.

*Environmental Stewardship: we believe that we all have a responsibility to act as stewards of our local and global environment, for the next generation, and as a duty to show global leadership on climate change and biodiversity.

*Markets and values: we believe in free enterprise, business and the market economy with a framework of good regulation to enhance competition, support innovation, break monopolies, empower citizens and reflect our shared values.

*Law and Human rights: we believe in universal human rights and the rule of law and are proud of our country and Party's record in promoting them through an independent judiciary, effective enforcement, community policing & policies to prevent crime & social breakdown.

*Democratic renewal: we believe that civilised, open respectful political debate in our Party, Parliament & free press, and a vibrant arts & cultural sector, is fundamental to strengthening the health of our society and democracy.

(Noticed Tom Tugendhat was a member)

I think in the Disraeli era (mid Victorian) our FGT2 would have been the factory owner who had child workers doing 15 hour shifts for minimal pay (yes, it happened). Right wing distaste for anything that suggests some sort of concern for their fellow humans is what makes tories so unattractive.

Absolutely wrong.
The 1833 Factory Act forbade the employment of children aged 9-13 for more than 8 hours daily, 13-18 years 12 hours daily. Dreadful now but then (1833) innovative, and checked and enforced by Inspectors.
The describing phrase 'one-nation Tory' originated with Benjamin Disraeli (1804–1881), who served as the chief Conservative spokesman and became Prime Minister in February 1868. He devised it to appeal to working-class people, who he hoped would see it as a way to improve their lives via factory and health acts as well as greater protection for workers. The ideology featured heavily during Disraeli's two terms in government, during which considerable social reforms were passed by the Parliament of the United Kingdom. He believed passionately that the privileged have a responsibility towards the poor.

Wyllow3

I found a declaration of Values from One Nation as follows: (2019) - the ones on Social Responsibility and Public Services of particular interest? It also gives a list of MP's at that time who were committed to it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Nation_Conservatives_(caucus)#:~:text=The%20One%20Nation%20Conservatives%20is,identify%20as%20one%2Dnation%20conservatives.

*The United Kingdom: we believe in the United Kingdom as the embodiment of our shared values and as a force for good in defending our values in the world: we are patriotic Conservatives who reject narrow nationalism.

*Active global leadership: we believe the UK must be a leader on the world stage through our aid, trade and security commitments to tackle global challenges as a global citizen, through a strong defence and soft power commitment.

*Life Chances: we believe that everyone in our country – whoever and wherever they are from – has an equal right to a fair chance in life, and that bold reforms to welfare & vocational skills are central to tackling social injustice and creating an opportunity society.

*Social Responsibility: we believe in a strong society, and a social contract between all of us as fellow citizens, supported in our tax and welfare system.

*Public Services: we believe in our public services, properly funded by a growing economy, as fundamental to the wellbeing of our nation, in a mixed economy of public, private and third sector providers.

*Localism: we believe in the importance of place and Conservatives supporting the local, civic and voluntary over the bureaucratic, statist and compulsory.

*Environmental Stewardship: we believe that we all have a responsibility to act as stewards of our local and global environment, for the next generation, and as a duty to show global leadership on climate change and biodiversity.

*Markets and values: we believe in free enterprise, business and the market economy with a framework of good regulation to enhance competition, support innovation, break monopolies, empower citizens and reflect our shared values.

*Law and Human rights: we believe in universal human rights and the rule of law and are proud of our country and Party's record in promoting them through an independent judiciary, effective enforcement, community policing & policies to prevent crime & social breakdown.

*Democratic renewal: we believe that civilised, open respectful political debate in our Party, Parliament & free press, and a vibrant arts & cultural sector, is fundamental to strengthening the health of our society and democracy.

Thank you.

But doesnt everyone believe in most of that anyway?

Most people from most Political Parties?

No, it doesn’t encapsulate the values of the right fancythat, which is why there’s such a divide in the party. Fundamentally their belief is survival of the fittest.

The 1833 Factory Act forbade the employment of children aged 9-13 for more than 8 hours daily, 13-18 years 12 hours daily. Dreadful now but then (1833) innovative, and checked and enforced by Inspectors.

You should try reading some actual researched history, eazybee instead of the fantasy version taught in schools. For a start, factory inspectors barely existed and the acts disregarded with impunity.

MaizieD

^The 1833 Factory Act forbade the employment of children aged 9-13 for more than 8 hours daily, 13-18 years 12 hours daily. Dreadful now but then (1833) innovative, and checked and enforced by Inspectors.^

You should try reading some actual researched history, eazybee instead of the fantasy version taught in schools. For a start, factory inspectors barely existed and the acts disregarded with impunity.

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Thank you for posting that Wyllow. I came across the list yesterday and was going to post it. I agree with you Casdon. I don't think that everyone (certainly not those on the right) agree with the values.

If any political party published those values as its manifesto, I would think seriously about voting for it. Obviously, I'd want some specifics, but the list is a good starting point.

MaizieD

^Key One-Nation Conservative thinker, Benjamin Disraeli, argued that it was in the interests of the ruling elite to adopt a stance of paternalism towards those less fortunate. Such an approach forms the basis of One-Nation Conservatism, as Disraeli observed that the interconnectedness of society meant that an issue amongst the working classes resulted in a widespread impact across a whole nation. Therefore, according to Disraeli’s vision, the ruling class had an obligation to look out for the lower classes to provide social stability^

I think in the Disraeli era (mid Victorian) our FGT2 would have been the factory owner who had child workers doing 15 hour shifts for minimal pay (yes, it happened). Right wing distaste for anything that suggests some sort of concern for their fellow humans is what makes tories so unattractive.

Indeed it does!

Casdon

No, it doesn’t encapsulate the values of the right fancythat, which is why there’s such a divide in the party. Fundamentally their belief is survival of the fittest.

I agree!

Presumably within the Conservative Party it was felt - and still is by One Nation Conservatives - that some in the party had so departed from these basic principles in terms of policy specifics aims it was/is necessary to re state them firmly.

From what people are saying on here, gathering from several posts, it seems to me that the non One Party Tory MPs are more in tune with Reform?

So the Conservative Party would be better off splitting itself in two? Rather than constant infighting amongst itself?
Which helps no one?

TBH I don't really know where the majority of backbench MP's stand Fancythat, it would need a Party insider to explain?

Won't a lot depend on that? and whether the new leader has the sort of character to compromise and bring the party together, or end up being divisive?